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Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is.

Direct link to this message	Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. El_Xispo. xispo@shite.com. (62.43.19.144) [62.43.19.144]
	AnubisOS didn't look a bad idea to me. Some people said it was only YALD, but they described it as a new original userland based on Amiga-like conventions on top of the Linux Kernel. Reading their wiki, I was under the assumption that part of the strategy was to have Xorg driver comnpatibility without implementing Xorg itself. But since Alez Perez took over the project looks definetly more YALD than ever. http://www.thenostromo.com/archives/teamanubisos/
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com. (68.142.7.184) dsl-7-184.cofs.net
	On Thursday, Oct 8, 2009, El_Xispo wrote: > AnubisOS didn't look a bad idea to me. Some people said it was only YALD, > but they described it as a new original userland based on Amiga-like > conventions on top of the Linux Kernel. Reading their wiki, I was under the > assumption that part of the strategy was to have Xorg driver comnpatibility > without implementing Xorg itself. > > But since Alez Perez took over the project looks definetly more YALD than > ever. > > http://www.thenostromo.com/archives/teamanubisos/ It's a trade off at this point in time with consideration of limited man power to do this project. Alex also said he wants in the future for Anubis to run on other kernels, like BSD. So for now, it's heavy borrowing on Linux until something reasonable takes shape and then start replacing the borrowed code. Dammy
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. Christoph Gutjahr. . (217.224.152.209) [217.224.152.209]
	On Thursday, Oct 8, 2009, dammy wrote: > It's a trade off at this point in time with consideration of limited man > power to do this project. "Except it's not another Linux distro. But you already knew that. :)" [1] "Oh, whomever is the last to leave AROS, please remind them to turn out the lights." [2] "Let me predict by end of 2009, there will be more Anubis users then MOS users. Probably even money that there will be as many Anubis users as they are total OS4/MOS/AROS users. Time will tell." [3] "Anubis will come out for x86, PPC (EFIKA and probably SAM440) and I would hope eventually ARM." [4] [1] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/160338.shtml [2] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/159851.shtml [3] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/160333.shtml [4] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/160339.shtml
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com. (68.142.7.184) dsl-7-184.cofs.net
	On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, Christoph Gutjahr wrote: > On Thursday, Oct 8, 2009, dammy wrote: > > It's a trade off at this point in time with consideration of limited man > > power to do this project. > > "Except it's not another Linux distro. But you already knew that. :)" [1] That was the original plan, this isn't. Original plan, if things had gone the way they should have, would have been very un-Linux. When it came down to the amount of man hours, it was a overly ambitious. > "Oh, whomever is the last to leave AROS, please remind them to turn out the > lights." [2] Keep that one book marked, the fat lady hasn't sung on that one quiet yet. > "Let me predict by end of 2009, there will be more Anubis users then MOS > users. Probably even money that there will be as many Anubis users as they > are total OS4/MOS/AROS users. Time will tell." [3] That one blew up in my face all right. > "Anubis will come out for x86, PPC (EFIKA and probably SAM440) and I would > hope eventually ARM." [4] I sure do not have much hopes for PPC any more. ARM, OTOH, if x86 happens, ARM will be supported > > [1] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/160338.shtml > [2] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/159851.shtml > [3] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/160333.shtml > [4] http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/160339.shtml Dammy
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. mobilebunny. #. (174.132.58.186) [174.132.58.186]
	I'm still in the Aros camp and I'm staying.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. AdmV. AdmV. (195.11.197.194) london.stagetech.com
	On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, mobilebunny wrote: > I'm still in the Aros camp and I'm staying. Why? That aside, I was a little harsh on Anubis initially, in the fact that I called it as being YALD. There is nothing wrong with being a YALD, and if you do clever things that are neat, that's great. Being a YALD makes it tough to succeed, because by its nature you have masses of competition and duplication of effort is everywhere.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. XraalE. moo. (82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
	On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > I sure do not have much hopes for PPC any more. ARM, OTOH, if x86 happens, > ARM will be supported And if the recent rumours are true and Intel are preparing to buy out Freescale to knock ARM out of the market?
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com. (68.142.7.184) dsl-7-184.cofs.net
	On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, XraalE wrote: > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > > I sure do not have much hopes for PPC any more. ARM, OTOH, if x86 happens, > > ARM will be supported > > And if the recent rumours are true and Intel are preparing to buy out > Freescale to knock ARM out of the market? Or to capture the ARM market as their own? Dammy
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com. (68.142.7.184) dsl-7-184.cofs.net
	On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, XraalE wrote: > > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > > > I sure do not have much hopes for PPC any more. ARM, OTOH, if x86 happens, > > > ARM will be supported > > > > And if the recent rumours are true and Intel are preparing to buy out > > Freescale to knock ARM out of the market? > > Or to capture the ARM market as their own? I mean as far as Freescale's slice of the ARM market which I'm sure under Intel would grow significantly. Dammy
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. XraalE. moo. (82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
	On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, XraalE wrote: > > > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > > > > I sure do not have much hopes for PPC any more. ARM, OTOH, if x86 happens, > > > > ARM will be supported > > > > > > And if the recent rumours are true and Intel are preparing to buy out > > > Freescale to knock ARM out of the market? > > > > Or to capture the ARM market as their own? > > I mean as far as Freescale's slice of the ARM market which I'm sure under > Intel would grow significantly. For Intel, claiming something as their own usually involves killing it, then ingesting the remains.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com. (68.142.7.184) dsl-7-184.cofs.net
	On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, XraalE wrote: > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > > > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, XraalE wrote: > > > > On Friday, Oct 9, 2009, dammy wrote: > > > > > I sure do not have much hopes for PPC any more. ARM, OTOH, if x86 happens, > > > > > ARM will be supported > > > > > > > > And if the recent rumours are true and Intel are preparing to buy out > > > > Freescale to knock ARM out of the market? > > > > > > Or to capture the ARM market as their own? > > > > I mean as far as Freescale's slice of the ARM market which I'm sure under > > Intel would grow significantly. > > For Intel, claiming something as their own usually involves killing it, > then ingesting the remains. Which is why I usually only buy AMD. :) Dammy
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. 3seas. ....@..... (74.166.12.69) adsl-074-166-012-069.sip.asm.bellsouth.net
	Dammy, AnubisOS was never going to make it out by the end of this year. Perhaps by the end of 2010 there will begin to be something usable by end users. Key word "begin". Its just a matter of non-paid programmer resources and the time it takes to get things done and in the case of Anubis, there is the extra front end design work as to what to do. Self motivation.... Aros is not going to vanish because some other OS promise exist. We all have had enough promises that simply didn't pan out to even consider any promise of a tomorrows OS viable today. Its really just not realistic to even think all the AROS work and code is going to vanish (lights turned out, cant see what is there?). There is the why it was started in the first place. The This way or That way, black or white, is simply not how open source works. I do hope Anubis moves along, especially if it is done in a manner that makes porting to others kernels reasonable. I'd really like to see an Amiga like user interface set on DragonFlyBSD. Personally I think its a shame that more has not been done to make programming easier for non and entry level programmers to do. I'm sure if things were easier to do more would get done and as such there would be a higher level of activity overall by those follow such projects. Sort of like how expecting programmers to do parallel processing for these multi-core CPUs hasn't taken off. Its not the many many programmers who should be expected to put the time and energy in doing so when far fewer can simply apply genuine software engineering to create the compilers that do this for the programmers. To increase some activity and fun, produce, from libraries, devices and applications sources that already exist, function libraries that are callable from an arexx style port and document the functionality and how to use it. It doesn't have to be fancy or have all the bells an whistles done for the user of such as that would be doing the fun for the user and counter the point of doing it. Simply make such functionality accessible from simple scripting. but of course "why do that?" reasons can be found in the world of seek and ye shall find all the excuses you want to not help others help.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Moonsoon's AnubisOS might not be YALD, but MrBIOS's one is. Not PM ahtuos. #!/bin/sh. (82.69.171.91) [82.69.171.91]
	On Thursday, Oct 8, 2009, El_Xispo wrote: > AnubisOS didn't look a bad idea to me. Some people said it was only YALD, > but they described it as a new original userland based on Amiga-like > conventions on top of the Linux Kernel. Reading their wiki, I was under the > assumption that part of the strategy was to have Xorg driver comnpatibility > without implementing Xorg itself. > > But since Alez Perez took over the project looks definetly more YALD than > ever. To maintain even a mediocre third tier Linux distro means a LOT of hard work. I don't see any sign that someone is doing that work on AnubisOS / ARIX.
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