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Don Cox. jklkjlkjl.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> > On Sunday, Oct 18, 2009, . wrote:
> > > It is natural and very predictable that you and Xraale are looking for
> > > negative things when there is a positive statement for the Amiga community.
> >
> > What is the positive statement for the Amiga community? If anything this is
> > only beneficial to the OS4 community, and then just on the surface.
>
> What community?
> If anyone wants to have a community, they are actually going to have to
> build it, with hard work, and good products, the latter of which in what
> was left of the last community did not happen to actually exist.
>
> Disclaimer.
> If Hyperion and the SAM people ship and warranty their stuff, then I don't
> have an axe to grind. It may even improve over time for all I know.
>
I think it already has improved with time.

Obviously there is still a way to go.

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kk. ..

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one thing that is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. the one thing that is the most important in this little hooby of ours, is the name amiga. everyone have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in the memories of most people that uses computers today. when morphos macmini news was posted over at osnew, you could just go the the comments and see it for yourself, no one mentioned morphos everyone was talking about amiga and how much they loved it. this just strengten my opinion and it make me 100% sure that morphos is slowly going into obscurity. while hyperion and their amigaos will go from strength to strength and have a good and strong niche marked.

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JammyJamJam. fuzeex@yummy.com.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, dammy wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, kk wrote:
> > i didnt see that coming
>
> With talks going on for nearly a year, something had to been going forward.
> First hint was OS4 for SAM440 was allowed. Had the talks ended in the
> crapper, we would have seen court paperwork filed around January of 09 for
> motion to set trial by jury date.
>
> Dammy
>

The SAM version was not allowed via the mediation. It was allowed because the court rejected the injunction request of Amiga, Inc. Amiga had argued SAM exceeded the Amiga One definition in the contracts. Hyperion disagreed. The court did not see sufficient evidence from Amiga to grant the requested injunction. And so Hyperion started sellint that version. Thats it.

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, JammyJamJam wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, kk wrote:
> > > i didnt see that coming
> >
> > With talks going on for nearly a year, something had to been going forward.
> > First hint was OS4 for SAM440 was allowed. Had the talks ended in the
> > crapper, we would have seen court paperwork filed around January of 09 for
> > motion to set trial by jury date.
> >
> > Dammy
> >
>
> The SAM version was not allowed via the mediation. It was allowed because
> the court rejected the injunction request of Amiga, Inc. Amiga had argued
> SAM exceeded the Amiga One definition in the contracts. Hyperion
> disagreed. The court did not see sufficient evidence from Amiga to grant
> the requested injunction. And so Hyperion started sellint that version.
> Thats it.

Your right! I stand corrected.

Dammy

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AdmV. AdmV.

(195.11.197.194) london.stagetech.com
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, kk wrote:
> one thing that is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. the one
> thing that is the most important in this little hooby of ours, is the name
> amiga. everyone have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in
> the memories of most people that uses computers today. when morphos macmini
> news was posted over at osnew, you could just go the the comments and see
> it for yourself, no one mentioned morphos everyone was talking about amiga
> and how much they loved it. this just strengten my opinion and it make me
> 100% sure that morphos is slowly going into obscurity. while hyperion and
> their amigaos will go from strength to strength and have a good and strong
> niche marked.

Oh please, MorphOS is the better software, and they put the damn thing on the mac mini, which puts them on better hardware as well.

If you fell into a bucket of boobs, you'd come out sucking your thumb.

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kk. ..

(67.159.44.51) [67.159.44.51]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:

> Oh please, MorphOS is the better software, and they put the damn thing on
> the mac mini, which puts them on better hardware as well.
>
> If you fell into a bucket of boobs, you'd come out sucking your thumb.
>

better hw? the better hw was the pegasos2, the macmini is in fact a step back to obsolete hw. so you can keep on sucking your thumb while i will suck the boobis..

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pleasure. xxx@amiga.com.

(205.212.77.246) [205.212.77.246]
> Wouldn't a joint statement from all parties involved be just a little less
> suspicious?

Isn't the fact that Amiga is staying quiet also telling?

Reading the Hyperion statement I noticed this initial part: "the Amiga Parties acknowledge that Hyperion is the sole owner of AmigaOS 4 without prejudice to any third party rights." Please correct me if I am wrong, but "without prejudice to any third party rights" is a huge disclaimer that pushed to an extreme means that if Amiga, Inc. owned nothing, it gave nothing to Hyperion, right? For example, what if the ARexx developer came out and claimed that the OS could not be transferred without his approval? Can the whole "deal" be invalidated, or would it only affect the ARexx part??

Also, everything else in the announcement is introduced by "Within the framework of the settlement agreement", and even the part about 3.1 is limited by a clause that seems to restrict it to "in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x and subsequent versions".

Why can't they write in plain English what they own, without disclaimers and open-ended exceptions?

Also, didn't someone over at amigaworld.net (or maybe it was some other site) say that he knew that amiga.com was now up for sale? Maybe he knew too much and the post was edited, I couldn't find it again. Who knows more about this?

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XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, kk wrote:
> > one thing that is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. the one
> > thing that is the most important in this little hooby of ours, is the name
> > amiga. everyone have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in
> > the memories of most people that uses computers today. when morphos macmini
> > news was posted over at osnew, you could just go the the comments and see
> > it for yourself, no one mentioned morphos everyone was talking about amiga
> > and how much they loved it. this just strengten my opinion and it make me
> > 100% sure that morphos is slowly going into obscurity. while hyperion and
> > their amigaos will go from strength to strength and have a good and strong
> > niche marked.
>
> Oh please, MorphOS is the better software, and they put the damn thing on
> the mac mini, which puts them on better hardware as well.
>
> If you fell into a bucket of boobs, you'd come out sucking your thumb.

Not if Hans-Joerg's or Thomas' cock was in easy reach.

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.. ..

(94.196.157.38) [94.196.157.38]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, kk wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
>
> > Oh please, MorphOS is the better software, and they put the damn thing on
> > the mac mini, which puts them on better hardware as well.
> >
> > If you fell into a bucket of boobs, you'd come out sucking your thumb.
> >
>
> better hw? the better hw was the pegasos2,

Overall yes. The CPUs are bolted onto a far superior northbridge which allows for a far quicker system. The only downside is the 9200 that it comes with, but even then unless you're using some serious 3d software or running a truly gigantic resolution you should be fine.

> the macmini is in fact a step back to obsolete hw.

No more then the peg was. PPC is a dead end arch as far as desktop goes.

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XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Don Cox wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> > Disclaimer.
> > If Hyperion and the SAM people ship and warranty their stuff, then I don't
> > have an axe to grind. It may even improve over time for all I know.
> >
> I think it already has improved with time.

How do you justify that statement: do you see anything better in Hyperion's behaviour since the days of the Holy Trinity farce?

I myself can see an "improvement" only in the lack of big mouths like Hausser and Hermans; but Hyperion's poor attitude to the people who worship them has not changed. Their penchant for keeping their users in the dark hasn't gone, that's crystal clear. Nor has their determination to milk every soggy little penny from their customers, or capitalise on the hard work of others if necessary. I don't see any developers getting paid, and I see mysterious jumps forward in USB development after third-party USB opensourcing; and I still see every OS4 update being charged at premium prices. Same old shit really. And it's not going to get better. Unethical companies don't magically turn ethical overnight.

> Obviously there is still a way to go.

It couldn't get any worse, put it that way.

Hyperion could at least claim they had nothing to do with Eyetech hardware, not being able to choose it (despite being complicent in coverup of its bugs). Even befor this settlement they've been actively choose it themselves, and in fact ACube is formed by OS4 developers.

By the way, do you happen to know if ACube actually offer warranties and RMA for their hardware, which by EU law they should?

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Don Cox. jhkjkj.

(82.17.144.36) cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust35.midd.cable.ntl.com
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Don Cox wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> > > Disclaimer.
> > > If Hyperion and the SAM people ship and warranty their stuff, then I don't
> > > have an axe to grind. It may even improve over time for all I know.
> > >
> > I think it already has improved with time.
>
> How do you justify that statement: do you see anything better in Hyperion's
> behaviour since the days of the Holy Trinity farce?
>
I am referring to the products, both OS and hardware.

The only behavior that matters is what Hyperion and ACube actually produce.



>
> By the way, do you happen to know if ACube actually offer warranties and
> RMA for their hardware, which by EU law they should?
>

I haven't a clue. The current hardware is too low spec to be useful to me. If they bring out something about 4x faster, then I might start checking on things like warranties.

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.. .@l.com.

(67.159.44.51) [67.159.44.51]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:

> How do you justify that statement: do you see anything better in Hyperion's
> behaviour since the days of the Holy Trinity farce?

The only thing of interest about their behaviour for me is that they deliver products. I don't want to marry Ben Hermans wife. Do you?

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XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Don Cox wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Don Cox wrote:
> > > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> > > > Disclaimer.
> > > > If Hyperion and the SAM people ship and warranty their stuff, then I don't
> > > > have an axe to grind. It may even improve over time for all I know.
> > > >
> > > I think it already has improved with time.
> >
> > How do you justify that statement: do you see anything better in Hyperion's
> > behaviour since the days of the Holy Trinity farce?
> >
> I am referring to the products, both OS and hardware.
>
> The only behavior that matters is what Hyperion and ACube actually
> produce.

You are remarkably tolerant. Most people like support, warranty, and the ability to return defective hardware, before they will even think of purchasing hardware. These rights are yours by law, and were hard-won. I think you've spent too much time with PC hardware and take for granted that a) your hardware will work as expected when it arrives, (b) it will probably never break within its useful working life and (c) should the worst happen it can be quickly replaced within the 1 or 2 year warranty (or just replaced with a new one off the shelf).

Um, wait; EVERYONE should offer this. Genesi could offer this too, as well as every company that produced Amiga add-ons; so there is no "small company" excuse.

> I haven't a clue. The current hardware is too low spec to be useful to me.
> If they bring out something about 4x faster, then I might start checking on
> things like warranties.

There is nothing 4x on PPC, and OS4 is not going to migrate off PPC unless Hyperion cut the Amiga legacy umbilical chord completely.

So let me go over this again - you believe that Hyperion having a monopoly on their own hardware and being able to charge through the nose for it with little or no support is acceptable?

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XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, . wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
>
> > How do you justify that statement: do you see anything better in Hyperion's
> > behaviour since the days of the Holy Trinity farce?
>
> The only thing of interest about their behaviour for me is that they
> deliver products. I don't want to marry Ben Hermans wife. Do you?

Having seen Ben, no.

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jorkany. jorkany.

(97.77.93.214) [97.77.93.214]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, pleasure wrote:
> Also, didn't someone over at amigaworld.net (or maybe it was some other
> site) say that he knew that amiga.com was now up for sale? Maybe he knew
> too much and the post was edited, I couldn't find it again. Who knows more
> about this?

amiga.org is up for sale.

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jorkany. jorkany.

(97.77.93.214) [97.77.93.214]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> By the way, do you happen to know if ACube actually offer warranties and
> RMA for their hardware, which by EU law they should?

I can't say for sure, but a while back on AWN a SAM owner had their system repaired by ACube. The way their story came off didn't sound like a warranty repair but more of a PR stunt by ACube. Either way, "warranty" seems to be an alien concept to most of the OS4 crowd.

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AdmV. AdmV.

(94.194.202.229) [94.194.202.229]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> > By the way, do you happen to know if ACube actually offer warranties and
> > RMA for their hardware, which by EU law they should?
>
> I can't say for sure, but a while back on AWN a SAM owner had their system
> repaired by ACube. The way their story came off didn't sound like a
> warranty repair but more of a PR stunt by ACube. Either way, "warranty"
> seems to be an alien concept to most of the OS4 crowd.

Lets cut the crap.

There are some simple questions that can be asked and the answers are actually all that matter to most degrees.

1. Does the hardware work, and is it of merchantable quality?
2. Is there a warranty and support provided along the lines of which would be reasonably expected?
3. Is the base software working, and supported?
4. Are there updates and fixes being provided and a level of support actually exists?

Now, if most of the above is fulfilled, *I* actually don't care of the programmers are obnoxious shitheads. They are no different than many many other programmers and systems people. That alone is not enough reason to slate it. What matters is that if they are shipping product and matching the 4 questions in reality and also in spirit, they are shipping something a good wat along the road to acceptability.

None of which undoes the past and all the idiocy. And I won't be buying from them, but I don't think they should be slated of they are actually shipping something 'reasonable'. Oh, I know, my interpretation of reasonable is going to be open-ended, and open to multiple angles of attack, but I don't give a shit. I speak for myself, and only myself.


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me. bah.

(84.217.139.4) [84.217.139.4]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:

> There are some simple questions that can be asked and the answers are
> actually all that matter to most degrees.
>
> 1. Does the hardware work, and is it of merchantable quality?

Yes.

> 2. Is there a warranty and support provided along the lines of which would
> be reasonably expected?

Yes.

> 3. Is the base software working, and supported?

It's OS4, I say it's working and is supported. I guess most here won't...

> 4. Are there updates and fixes being provided and a level of support
> actually exists?

Updates and fixes to the OS do get released. Sometimes quick, sometimes they take time.

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jorkany. jorkany.

(97.77.93.214) [97.77.93.214]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, me wrote:
> > 3. Is the base software working, and supported?
>
> It's OS4, I say it's working and is supported. I guess most here won't...

Actually there is no official support for OS4. Just read thru this thread on AWN, in particular these posts (many others like them):

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29712&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#512707

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29712&forum=2&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#512760

You need support for OS4? Your only chance is the forums.

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AdmV. AdmV.

(94.194.202.229) [94.194.202.229]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, me wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
>
> > There are some simple questions that can be asked and the answers are
> > actually all that matter to most degrees.
> >
> > 1. Does the hardware work, and is it of merchantable quality?
>
> Yes.
>
> > 2. Is there a warranty and support provided along the lines of which would
> > be reasonably expected?
>
> Yes.
>
> > 3. Is the base software working, and supported?
>
> It's OS4, I say it's working and is supported. I guess most here won't...
>
> > 4. Are there updates and fixes being provided and a level of support
> > actually exists?
>
> Updates and fixes to the OS do get released. Sometimes quick, sometimes
> they take time.


Then as a consumer it seems to me that you are getting at least part way along to a fair bargain. Many did not previously from the same people, so the onus is on them to make sure it is the case beyond any reasonable doubt. If they reach a reasonably high level of service and support, and treat people the right way, then good. But thats the minimum anything should be anyway.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, JammyJamJam wrote:
>
> The SAM version was not allowed via the mediation. It was allowed because
> the court rejected the injunction request of Amiga, Inc. Amiga had argued
> SAM exceeded the Amiga One definition in the contracts. Hyperion
> disagreed. The court did not see sufficient evidence from Amiga to grant
> the requested injunction. And so Hyperion started sellint that version.
> Thats it.


Ha-ha!


In the end, Hyperion really sticked it to Amiga Inc.


I'll bet that Bull McOWEn' didn't even put ONE PENNY of his own money into paying his lawyer's fees to prop up the company and save AmigaOS to be returned to himself.

He's wasted 10 years of his life on this.


If ONLY, he HADN'T gone AGAINST the community and their desires!


He was the vehicle of his own destruction.

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

(68.142.7.184) dsl-7-184.cofs.net
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, JammyJamJam wrote:
> >
> > The SAM version was not allowed via the mediation. It was allowed because
> > the court rejected the injunction request of Amiga, Inc. Amiga had argued
> > SAM exceeded the Amiga One definition in the contracts. Hyperion
> > disagreed. The court did not see sufficient evidence from Amiga to grant
> > the requested injunction. And so Hyperion started sellint that version.
> > Thats it.
>
>
> Ha-ha!
>
>
> In the end, Hyperion really sticked it to Amiga Inc.

How do you know that, did you see the new agreement/contract? You are only hearing what Hyperion is spinning and not hearing anything on what Hyperion gave to Amiga Inc.

<snip>

Dammy

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(80.239.242.126) [80.239.242.126]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

>
> If ONLY, he HADN'T gone AGAINST the community and their desires!
>

Actually, many of the issues that afflict Amiga can be pinned down to him listening to them. If he had ignored their baying for PPC over x86 for example and negotiated for the rights of Amithlon, Amiga would even today have a stable and secure hardware base to work from.

>
> He was the vehicle of his own destruction.
>

Can't argue with that.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Don Cox wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> > > Disclaimer.
> > > If Hyperion and the SAM people ship and warranty their stuff, then I don't
> > > have an axe to grind. It may even improve over time for all I know.
> > >
> > I think it already has improved with time.
>
> How do you justify that statement: do you see anything better in Hyperion's
> behaviour since the days of the Holy Trinity farce?

You TRULY are a mental sick nut.

Hyperion's behavior is exemplary.

They work hard, deliver, answer questions, and as much as is _humanly possible_, are tolerant of PURE FUCKHEADS like yourself.

Any company with difficulties as great as they've faced should consider themselves GODS if they could even deliver HALF AS MUCH as Hyperion has!!!!!!

> I myself can see an "improvement" only

Your "report card" is _TOTALLY WORTHLESS_!

And you make yourself seem as such as well, typing this garbage.

> in the lack of big mouths like Hausser and Hermans;

People asked questions, they answered. I never saw any decptions on their part.

> but Hyperion's poor attitude to the people who worship
> them has not changed.

I've never ever experienced any difficulties with anyone employed by Hyperion.

> Their penchant for keeping their users in the dark hasn't gone,

There are many, many reasons that certain details couldn't be revealed....

I guess that you are totally unfamiliar with the "NDA".

Did Amiga Inc. splash on THEIR website that they were in court with Hyperion, or publish progress reports???

> that's crystal clear.

In your foggen mind, it is oh so plain and evident, yes.

> Nor has their determination to milk
> every soggy little penny from their customers,

Yeah, right. Remember when the motherboard was sold? Did they get any money from each MB? Who knows? Maybe it was a very small amount, so, yes, they need money from us to continue,.... How unheard of, eh?

> or capitalise on the hard work of others if necessary.

Yeah, they steal code, sure. This is _your speculation_. However, it's your LIE as well, too.


> I don't see any developers getting paid,

Think that YOU are ENTITLED to have access to information of such nature? Why is that? Are you a government employee in the department that would allow you to descend on their books and check this out?

Are YOU _likely_ to be a customer _tomorrow_ if YOU could see their banking transactions (over the last 5 years) and see that all is as it should be?

Are you just an "ethics is to be promoted everywhere" and this corner of the world needs YOUR watchful eye for purity to be maintained throughout the fabric of the Cosmos?

> and I
> see mysterious jumps forward in USB development after third-party USB
> opensourcing;

Oh, aren't you the all seeing, all perceptive eye ball.

Thanks for this devastating world shattering caution!

> and I still see every OS4 update being charged at premium prices.

Oh my.... oh no! Good reason to FLOCK BACK TO WIN=DROSSS if EVER I've been propositioned! (Go be ass raped by micro-shaft.)


> Same old shit really.

Only spilling from YOUR jowls, yes.



> And it's not going to get better. Unethical
> companies don't magically turn ethical overnight.

They deliver..... There are no problems, except in your grey matter.


> > Obviously there is still a way to go.
>
> It couldn't get any worse, put it that way.

This is your desire, maybe you even chant at night hoping....

But things have been improving for the last, well, long time, and they have just been totally unshackled, so this is the sprint to the finnish line, that is, registering in the world markets pie chart!!!!

WooooooHOOOOO!!


> Even befor this settlement they've been actively choose it
> themselves, and in fact ACube is formed by OS4 developers.

Oh no, how utterly horrible, a company making AOS4.x HW.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Don Cox wrote:

> You are remarkably tolerant. Most people like support, warranty, and the
> ability to return defective hardware,

Well, my AmigaOne XE works, I'm replying to this post right now with it. What's the problem?



> I think you've spent too much time with PC hardware and take for granted that
> a) your hardware will work as expected when it arrives,

I suppose, well, it's win-dross, really, quite defective...

> > I haven't a clue. The current hardware is too low spec to be useful to me.
> > If they bring out something about 4x faster, then I might start checking on
> > things like warranties.
>
> There is nothing 4x on PPC,

And you claim to know SOOOOO much about computers, you don't know that there are PPC CPUs that are 4x faster than the 440ep??? HAH!


> and OS4 is not going to migrate off PPC unless
> Hyperion cut the Amiga legacy umbilical chord completely.

I'd be VERY happy with 2 G5 970MP CPUs @ 2.6 GHz on a motherboard. :-DDD


> So let me go over this again - you believe that Hyperion having a monopoly
> on their own hardware and being able to charge through the nose for it with
> little or no support is acceptable?


They _do_ provide support, you liar.

Do they overcharge? NOT for the scale that they have no choice but to operate on.... get an excuse for the MISERABLE FAILURE of micro-shaft with them operating on THEIR budget, how about!!!!!


Think THEY'D (shaft squad) respond to an e-mail from you or anyone else?

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> You need support for OS4? Your only chance is the forums.


Forums? You mean the forums where _almost every single AOS4.x coder reads_ probably at least once a week???? THOSE forums, where people _couldn't possibly_ get some help?

You are stubborn (AND EVEN IF YOU WERE GIVEN A _FREE_ AMIGA NG YOU WOULD JUST SELL IT) NEVER be a customer, so really, why do you persist?!!

Heck, other than me, almost no one even wastes their time with you.


So, are you lonely and post just so that we could spend time being chummy here?

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, dammy wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, JammyJamJam wrote:
> > >
> > > The SAM version was not allowed via the mediation. It was allowed because
> > > the court rejected the injunction request of Amiga, Inc. Amiga had argued
> > > SAM exceeded the Amiga One definition in the contracts. Hyperion
> > > disagreed. The court did not see sufficient evidence from Amiga to grant
> > > the requested injunction. And so Hyperion started sellint that version.
> > > Thats it.
> >
> >
> > Ha-ha!
> >
> >
> > In the end, Hyperion really sticked it to Amiga Inc.
>
> How do you know that, did you see the new agreement/contract? You are only
> hearing what Hyperion is spinning and not hearing anything on what Hyperion
> gave to Amiga Inc.
>
> <snip>
>
> Dammy


Well, I'd like to THINK that they got the stick. Hehe.


I'm CERTAINLY enjoying the moment.

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XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
People, please don't feed the retard. I don't think anyone who could have sworn blind that A1 would sell a million units or that Amiga Inc would take over the world (before they sued Hyperion) would have any input even worth answering.

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XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> You need support for OS4? Your only chance is the forums.

There's also the OS4 betatester mailing list. Of course, if you happen to be seen saying anything not glowingly positive about OS4 in any of the forums, or ask any embarrassing questions on it, you're likely to be immediately kicked off it; I personally know some who have been.

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Bernd Meyer. moo@umilator.net.

(63.146.69.17) [63.146.69.17]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> Did Amiga Inc. splash on THEIR website that they were in court with
> Hyperion

Uhm, is this a trick question?
http://www.amiga.com/news/?art=32

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> > You need support for OS4? Your only chance is the forums.
>
> There's also the OS4 betatester mailing list. Of course, if you happen to
> be seen saying anything not glowingly positive about OS4 in any of the
> forums, or ask any embarrassing questions on it, you're likely to be
> immediately kicked off it; I personally know some who have been.


Referring to yourself in the third person, are you?

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mander.com. asm@amiga.org.

(205.212.77.246) [205.212.77.246]
> > site) say that he knew that amiga.com was now up for sale? Maybe he knew
> > too much and the post was edited, I couldn't find it again. Who knows more
> > about this?
>
> amiga.org is up for sale.
>

The post by "amigadave" said "I heard that Amiga.com website is now up for sale" (.com, not .org, which is well-known by now).

Here:

http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=526309&postcount=18

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Bernd Meyer. Moo@umilator.net.

(32.159.130.162) [32.159.130.162]
On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, mander.com wrote:
>
> The post by "amigadave" said "I heard that Amiga.com website is now up for
> sale" (.com, not .org, which is well-known by now).
>
> Here:
>
> http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=526309&postcount=18
>
He is probably confused with amigaOS.com...

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Don Cox. jhkjkjhkj.

(82.17.144.36) cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust35.midd.cable.ntl.com
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, . wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
>
> >
> > If ONLY, he HADN'T gone AGAINST the community and their desires!
> >
>
> Actually, many of the issues that afflict Amiga can be pinned down to him
> listening to them. If he had ignored their baying for PPC over x86 for
> example and negotiated for the rights of Amithlon, Amiga would even today
> have a stable and secure hardware base to work from.
>
This is definitely true.

> >
> > He was the vehicle of his own destruction.
> >
>
> Can't argue with that.
>

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Christoph Gutjahr. .

(217.224.190.126) [217.224.190.126]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, . wrote:
> > If ONLY, he HADN'T gone AGAINST the community and their desires!
>
> Actually, many of the issues that afflict Amiga can be pinned down to him
> listening to them.

I can not think of a single case where McEwen/AInc listened to "the community".

> If he had ignored their baying for PPC over x86 for example

Then he couldn't have collected license fees for each A1 sold (50000 USD) and he couldn't have sold the famous coupons (another 50000 USD). I don't think there was much "baying" needed.

> and negotiated for the rights of Amithlon,

He actually had a publication deal with the Amithlon authors - but according to Bernd Meyer, he was then blackmailed by H&P to hand over distribution to them.

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.. ..

(80.239.242.126) [80.239.242.126]
On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Christoph Gutjahr wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, . wrote:
> > > If ONLY, he HADN'T gone AGAINST the community and their desires!
> >
> > Actually, many of the issues that afflict Amiga can be pinned down to him
> > listening to them.
>
> I can not think of a single case where McEwen/AInc listened to "the
> community".
>

PPC.

> > If he had ignored their baying for PPC over x86 for example
>
> Then he couldn't have collected license fees for each A1 sold (50000 USD)
> and he couldn't have sold the famous coupons (another 50000 USD). I don't
> think there was much "baying" needed.
>

Nope, but if he had selected a specific model for the "Amiga" or even a class of products such as Mini-ITX, he could have sold them with an Amiga sticker or similar and claimed a licence fee for every unit sold.

It's the old argument - 100% of 1800 units or lower percentage of a higher number of units.

> > and negotiated for the rights of Amithlon,
>
> He actually had a publication deal with the Amithlon authors - but
> according to Bernd Meyer, he was then blackmailed by H&P to hand over
> distribution to them.
>

Either way they could still have collected a licence from every unit sold and poured that into development.

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Christoph Gutjahr. .

(217.224.190.126) [217.224.190.126]
On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, . wrote:
> Nope, but if he had selected a specific model for the "Amiga" or even a
> class of products such as Mini-ITX, he could have sold them with an Amiga
> sticker or similar and claimed a licence fee for every unit sold.

At that time (2001) they were strapped for cash and desperate to milk the community as much as possible ("we will only do OS4 if we sell 50000 copies of OS 3.9").

Claiming that they choose PPC because they listened to the community seems hilarious to me given these circumstances. McEwen never had any long term vision or a sound business plan. He was always only producing hype to get as much cash as possible - *right now*, *immediately*'so he could live his "global player" fantasies for another month.

> It's the old argument - 100% of 1800 units or lower percentage of a higher
> number of units.

You may want to ask Wayne Hunt what kind of license fees they wanted when he tried to sell t-shirts with the amiga(.org) logo.

McEwen got a hundred thousands bucks out of the community thanks to the PPC path. That's what he cared about, not any long term plans and calculations.

> Either way they could still have collected a licence from every unit sold
> and poured that into development.

"poured that into development"? We're talking about Amiga Inc. past 2000 here. What development?

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(80.239.242.126) [80.239.242.126]
On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Christoph Gutjahr wrote:
> On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, . wrote:
> > Nope, but if he had selected a specific model for the "Amiga" or even a
> > class of products such as Mini-ITX, he could have sold them with an Amiga
> > sticker or similar and claimed a licence fee for every unit sold.
>
> At that time (2001) they were strapped for cash and desperate to milk the
> community as much as possible ("we will only do OS4 if we sell 50000 copies
> of OS 3.9").
>

The hardware was available and in quantity. The costs would be wholesale for hardware and could be more then recouped with sticking a "Amiga approved" or similar sticker on with Amithlon.

> Claiming that they choose PPC because they listened to the community seems
> hilarious to me given these circumstances. McEwen never had any long term
> vision or a sound business plan. He was always only producing hype to get
> as much cash as possible - *right now*, *immediately*'so he could live his
> "global player" fantasies for another month.
>

Perhaps you're right and I am giving him too much credit. But I still think that X86 would have been "the chosen path" had it not been for the Bawwwwing of the hardline PPC mob. Look at the dev tools that were released by TAO - they were all x86 orientated.

PPC, even looking back seems to me to have been an afterthought.

> > It's the old argument - 100% of 1800 units or lower percentage of a higher
> > number of units.
>
> You may want to ask Wayne Hunt what kind of license fees they wanted when
> he tried to sell t-shirts with the amiga(.org) logo.
>

Oh I know about the ridiculous amounts A.inc wanted to use the Amiga name in any sense.

> McEwen got a hundred thousands bucks out of the community thanks to the PPC
> path. That's what he cared about, not any long term plans and
> calculations.
>

$100k doesn't amount to anything.

> > Either way they could still have collected a licence from every unit sold
> > and poured that into development.
>
> "poured that into development"? We're talking about Amiga Inc. past 2000
> here. What development?
>

This is the point I was trying to get across - The amount of cash that would have been available had it gone x86 would have been substantially higher then PPC. You talk of $100k, with access to cheap and plentiful hardware the sales would have been far higher which in turn would equal more licence fees.

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Baghdad Bob. Bob@Iraq.com.

(68.109.168.26) [68.109.168.26]
On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, kk wrote:
> > one thing that is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. the one
> > thing that is the most important in this little hooby of ours, is the name
> > amiga. everyone have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in
> > the memories of most people that uses computers today. when morphos macmini
> > news was posted over at osnew, you could just go the the comments and see
> > it for yourself, no one mentioned morphos everyone was talking about amiga
> > and how much they loved it. this just strengten my opinion and it make me
> > 100% sure that morphos is slowly going into obscurity. while hyperion and
> > their amigaos will go from strength to strength and have a good and strong
> > niche marked.
>
> Oh please, MorphOS is the better software, and they put the damn thing on
> the mac mini, which puts them on better hardware as well.
>
> If you fell into a bucket of boobs, you'd come out sucking your thumb.

You got that Right AdmV! At least G4 Mac Mini's are available and MorphOS is available for it.
Anyone who thinks that OS4 didnt have hardware are idiots for believing otherwise how many PPC based Mac's are there that are available. I still to this day have an 8500 with a G4 in it, not my main machine infact it rarely gets turned on but truth of the matter what Morph did with the mini is what OS4 should of done years ago. I also hate people who say that it couldn't not be done because of Apple but that is complete and utter bull sh!t. Yellow dog linux has been around for years on the Mac as well as BeOS which I had on my Mac in the late 90's. So the lame ass excuse to not use Mac hardware is not going to fly. And if you disagree with me you are worse than Hitler!

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. .

(67.128.249.218) 67.128.249.218
On Saturday, Oct 17, 2009, dammy wrote:
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29777&forum=2

I am not sure that I am free to reveal the information that I have (so I won't be giving it here), but I will say that it is at some variance with Hyperion's public claims.

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Stew. Stew@TheMoo.

(99.128.252.99) [99.128.252.99]
On Sunday, Oct 18, 2009, t wrote:
>
> Personally, I was hoping that *they both would lose*, but I guess that was
> simply too much to ask for anyway... ;-)
>

I think they all did loose. The clones and developers wasted all that time for nothing (is the developers vs hyperion over?), AInc wasted all it's time and money, athiest and others of his ilk wasted what pathetic existance they call lives. Ben Hermans wasted what little reputation he had at one time, he has been revealed for the incompetant scum he is.... a good bedfellow for the scum at AInc. Most people with responsible lives have moved on and only see all this as entertainment, including the court jester athiest.
>
> I am still of the opinion that if anyone had the right to the IP, then it
> would be Amiga Inc, and if anyone had acted fraudulent and played dirty
> games, it would be Hyperion. But they are all scumbags, and now I guess the
> bullshit against MorphOS will be relaunched...
>


I could not agree more!!! While "birds of a feather" "there is no honor among thieves". The only group that gets any sympathy is the developers that worked for free (and didn't get a piece of the stolen ip for their troubles).

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. .

(4.245.75.61) [4.245.75.61]
On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, wrote:
> On Saturday, Oct 17, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29777&forum=2
>
> I am not sure that I am free to reveal the information that I have (so I
> won't be giving it here), but I will say that it is at some variance with
> Hyperion's public claims.

Anyone else try Hyperion's web site today? I get an "Address not found" error.

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