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stevegoodgay. sgoodgay84@hotmail.com.

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first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name. one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. one very important thing in this little hooby of ours, is the name amiga. everyone have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in the memories of most people that uses computers today. when morphos macmini news was posted over at osnew, you could just go the the comments and see it for yourself, no one mentioned morphos everyone was talking about amiga and how much they loved it. this just strengten my opinion and it make me 100% sure that morphos is slowly going into obscurity. while hyperion and their amigaos will go from strength to strength and have a good and strong niche marked.

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Alkis Tsapanidis. ezyyaat@nottingham.ac.uk.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:
> first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name.
> one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. one very
> important thing in this little hooby of ours, is the name amiga. everyone
> have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in the memories of
> most people that uses computers today. when morphos macmini news was posted
> over at osnew, you could just go the the comments and see it for yourself,
> no one mentioned morphos everyone was talking about amiga and how much they
> loved it. this just strengten my opinion and it make me 100% sure that
> morphos is slowly going into obscurity. while hyperion and their amigaos
> will go from strength to strength and have a good and strong niche marked.
>
>
>

First time I heard this claim was, what, 2001 when OS4 got announced? What year is it now, again?

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Alkis Tsapanidis wrote:
>
> First time I heard this claim was, what, 2001 when OS4 got announced? What
> year is it now, again?

I love it when they say it. Usually it's just before MOS gets ported to new hardware, or gets a new update, or gets drivers for something OS4 users have been begging for for years. Or just before we hear about something disastrous happening for OS4. It's karma, or something.

Maybe if they keep saying it Bigfoot will port Firefox before the Friedens do. That would be a giggle, especially if it runs faster :)

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Senex. ätt gmx punkt de.

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In general, the original poster made a point, though: the Mac mini release went mainly unnoticed by the non-Amiga world. In my opinion the minimalistic approach of the MorphOS team has been a mistake there.

If I look at bigger news-sites like heise.de for example, who in the past did also report about MorphOS occasionally, there was absolutely nothing this time - although having been actively made aware of the Mac release. The Hyperion-AI agreement, on the other hand, was covered there quickly.

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Alkis Tsapanidis. ezyyaat@nottingham.ac.uk.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Senex wrote:
> In general, the original poster made a point, though: the Mac mini release
> went mainly unnoticed by the non-Amiga world. In my opinion the
> minimalistic approach of the MorphOS team has been a mistake there.
>
> If I look at bigger news-sites like heise.de for example, who in the past
> did also report about MorphOS occasionally, there was absolutely nothing
> this time - although having been actively made aware of the Mac release.
> The Hyperion-AI agreement, on the other hand, was covered there quickly.
>

Bigfoot claims that the MorphOS servers have seen more traffic since the release than they've ever had since they were put online. That means that there is interest from the outside, as I doubt we have that many people on the inside. Anyway, whether news is noticed or not is irrelevant as people on the ouside will NOT put their hands into their pockets for OS4 OR MorphOS. There are however more chances an outsider will try MorphOS, in demo form, on widely available hardware.

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Senex. ätt gmx punkt de.

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Of course. It's just that IMO a broader audience could have been reached to play around with the demo, with therefore also a few more registrations. But indeed: without OS4 or MOS running on standard hardware, not much will change anyway.

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Jungle Bunny. #.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:
> first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name.
> one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos.


Um, right. OS4 gains something intangible/metaphysical and MOS gets the Mac mini, and that's the end of MOS.

What does the Amiga name mean to me? Coupon scams, hockey arena scams, rent scams, undeliverable pizzas, and unpaid workers.

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jorkany. jorkany.

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I don't have anything against MOS, but IMO it's already pretty obscure. I can't think of an instance where I would have heard about it outside of the Amiga forums I read. I'm certain if I asked around work I wouldn't run into anyone who knew what it was. But then, I doubt many of my comrades would be familiar with the Amiga, either.

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AdmV. AdmV.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Alkis Tsapanidis wrote:

> Bigfoot claims that the MorphOS servers have seen more traffic since the
> release than they've ever had since they were put online. That means that
> there is interest from the outside, as I doubt we have that many people on
> the inside. Anyway, whether news is noticed or not is irrelevant as people
> on the ouside will NOT put their hands into their pockets for OS4 OR
> MorphOS. There are however more chances an outsider will try MorphOS, in
> demo form, on widely available hardware.

I said here many times they were too slow in getting a mac PPC version out, and I also said they could have more relative success - but alas, they did it their way. MOS are an arrogant bunch and have been (and to be good you need some of it).

They also do seem to prefer to keep it quiet and manageable. The sands of time run against them now, because they have simply left it too late. The amount of PPC mac hardware is downward trending, and they have missed the boat.

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itix. sdfsf.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Senex wrote:
> In general, the original poster made a point, though: the Mac mini release
> went mainly unnoticed by the non-Amiga world. In my opinion the
> minimalistic approach of the MorphOS team has been a mistake there.
>
> If I look at bigger news-sites like heise.de for example, who in the past
> did also report about MorphOS occasionally, there was absolutely nothing
> this time - although having been actively made aware of the Mac release.
> The Hyperion-AI agreement, on the other hand, was covered there quickly.

But despite of all this coverage for Amiga it hasnt made Hyperion succesful.

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megol. .@..

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Alkis Tsapanidis wrote:
>
> > Bigfoot claims that the MorphOS servers have seen more traffic since the
> > release than they've ever had since they were put online. That means that
> > there is interest from the outside, as I doubt we have that many people on
> > the inside. Anyway, whether news is noticed or not is irrelevant as people
> > on the ouside will NOT put their hands into their pockets for OS4 OR
> > MorphOS. There are however more chances an outsider will try MorphOS, in
> > demo form, on widely available hardware.
>
> I said here many times they were too slow in getting a mac PPC version out,
> and I also said they could have more relative success - but alas, they did
> it their way. MOS are an arrogant bunch and have been (and to be good you
> need some of it).
>
If the MorphOS team is arrogant, what do you call the Hyperion bros? They have succeeded in not only being arrogant, unrealistic, uninformed, illogical and condescending to people (who later proved to be right). I have not seen any apologies after them insulting people that was right. I'd almost compare them to Linus "Asshole" Torvalds but he at least knows what he's talking about most of the time.
> They also do seem to prefer to keep it quiet and manageable. The sands of
> time run against them now, because they have simply left it too late. The
> amount of PPC mac hardware is downward trending, and they have missed the
> boat.
>
More like they realize MorphOS is a hobby and not a viable commercial platform. They deliver and seems to be more focused on quality, not quantity as the AOS4 team. They have realistic expectations, something that's missing in the AOS4 camp.

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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:

> first there was news about firefox coming now,

now ? I would be carefull with the term 'now' when it is used for Hyperion products.


> hyperion got the amiga name.

No they didn't they only got the name AmigaOS, the name Amiga is free now, not bundled to any AmigaOS computer any more, Genesi could licence it for their Netbook, togeter with a AmigaOS3.1 licence and UAE, that would be a reall nightmare for Hyperion believers.

> one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos.

Maybe MorphOS will be gone in 3 years but Hyperion will be vanish earlier.

> one very important thing in this little hooby of
> ours, is the name amiga. everyone

And poor Hyperion has only access to the name AmigaOS.

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> I don't have anything against MOS, but IMO it's already pretty obscure. I
> can't think of an instance where I would have heard about it outside of the
> Amiga forums I read. I'm certain if I asked around work I wouldn't run into
> anyone who knew what it was. But then, I doubt many of my comrades would be
> familiar with the Amiga, either.

Even among those who know the Amiga, you'd have to go pretty far abroad in the internet to find anyone who knows more than a few scraps about OS4, outside the AmigaWorld/Amigans clique. And I bet it would be less than positive.

But you know, as megol said, the MOS devs never once believed that their OS could hit mainstream. They had more optimistic expectations for it, before the Hyperion defamation machinery kicked in and any serious plans for a QBox extension to the OS (read, a MODERN os) had to be dropped.

And we all know that there are plenty of OS4 users who really, actually believe that OS4 will become a majorly used OS. Sometime. It's just around the corner. We just need that super G6 hardware or a port of Firefox...

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, megol wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> > I said here many times they were too slow in getting a mac PPC version out,
> > and I also said they could have more relative success - but alas, they did
> > it their way.

Wouldn't have anything to do with Apple being a closed system? No, of course not.


> > MOS are an arrogant bunch and have been (and to be good you
> > need some of it).
> >
> If the MorphOS team is arrogant, what do you call the Hyperion bros? They
> have succeeded in not only being arrogant, unrealistic, uninformed,
> illogical and condescending to people (who later proved to be right). I
> have not seen any apologies


Apologize? Thay have _nothing_ to apologize for.

They said that they were out to make a world class OS, and they _have_ succeeded. Case closed.


> They have realistic expectations, something
> that's missing in the AOS4 camp.


AOS4.x in every home is unrealistic? I _think_ not!

However, micro-shaft in every home, that's a crime!

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Senex wrote:
> In general, the original poster made a point, though: the Mac mini release
> went mainly unnoticed by the non-Amiga world. In my opinion the
> minimalistic approach of the MorphOS team has been a mistake there.
>
> If I look at bigger news-sites like heise.de for example, who in the past
> did also report about MorphOS occasionally, there was absolutely nothing
> this time - although having been actively made aware of the Mac release.
> The Hyperion-AI agreement, on the other hand, was covered there quickly.

The quicker press Hyperion get due to the Amiga brandname turned out to be one huge poison chalice. Every promise they have failed to keep, every embarrassing non-show they have been forced to make (POST screens vs working MOS), their awful early OS4 68k betas, every humiliating mistake or failure, has been slapped all over the news. Up until recently, by far the most popular article on Amiga.org was "Friedens withdraw from the public." (Unfortunately they didn't.) It was FAR more popular than "OS4 beta released". I think the story about the AInc vs Hyperion lawsuit took over as most popular after that.

On the other hand, MOS has been less well covered; but it also made far less crazy hype and wild promises, and therefore suffered far less humiliations. MOS has Ralph Schmidt written all over it: a quiet, gradual, but successful achiever. But even those times where they slipped a deadline have been mainly overlooked. Their greater successes have made the news on the back of OS4 publicity mainly because they did what Hyperion failed to do. The recent benchmarks and port to Mac Mini being very good examples. If anything (after 2005 at least) Hyperion's brandname helped MOS more than it helped Hyperion!

There is an old saying: any publicity is good publicity. In Hyperion's case, it simply hasn't been. You have to have something to show before you jump in the limelight.

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Bernd Meyer. moo@umilator.net.

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On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> They said that they were out to make a world class OS, and they _have_
> succeeded. Case closed.

They said they were going to provide automatic stack extension. They (predictably, and predictedly) failed.

They said the new memory system would do away with memory fragmentation. It did not, it simply replaced fragmentation of physical memory with fragmentation of virtual address space. Again, they were told about this rather fundamental issue from the start.

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Anon. .

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:
> first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name.
> one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. one very
> important thing in this little hooby of ours, is the name amiga. everyone
> have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in the memories of
> most people that uses computers today.

Reality check: it's not. Most people have only vague memories of Amiga, if any at all. Computers didn't go mainstream (in the US at least) until the Internet had gotten important enough that a large percentage of the population felt a need to get on it. As the early stages of this process took place after the Amiga was already dead (I'd put the start of the Internet revolution at around 1995 or so), the vast majority of personal computer users today have next to no memories of Amigas.

Amiga has already faded into obscurity, and you're concern trolling that a semi-hobby spinoff doesn't have access to that wholly irrelevant name. Wake up, neither MorphOS nor AmigaOS is ever going to be big again.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Anon wrote:
> Amiga has already faded into obscurity, and you're concern trolling that a
> semi-hobby spinoff doesn't have access to that wholly irrelevant name.
> Wake up, neither MorphOS nor AmigaOS is ever going to be big again.


That's what you think, or what you want?

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:
> > first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name.
> > one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos.
>
>
> Um, right. OS4 gains something intangible/metaphysical

Nice _deliberate_ ignoring of the _vital need_ of this "intangible/metaphysical" and inconsequential as well, I guess, item.

It was a total hinderance to them continuing to advance with big key industry players of any magnitude. They would look and see a lead weight the size of The Rock of Gibralter, and you think they would _still_ want to get involved?

Try telling it like it is, eh?


> and MOS gets the
> Mac mini, and that's the end of MOS.
>
> What does the Amiga name mean to me? Coupon scams, hockey arena scams, rent
> scams, undeliverable pizzas, and unpaid workers.


Yes, Amiga Inc. of olde, aye.

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Anon. .

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On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Anon wrote:
> > Amiga has already faded into obscurity, and you're concern trolling that a
> > semi-hobby spinoff doesn't have access to that wholly irrelevant name.
> > Wake up, neither MorphOS nor AmigaOS is ever going to be big again.
>
>
> That's what you think, or what you want?

Both.

Neither will be big again because they're doomed to be primitive toy operating systems by current standards. Upgrade them to not be primitive, and they will cease to be recognizable as similar to classic Amiga, and will lose all compatibility except through emulation.

And I don't want them to be big again because I personally would like my computing experience to progress, not regress.

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GK. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

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On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Anon wrote:

> Reality check: it's not. Most people have only vague memories of Amiga, if
> any at all. Computers didn't go mainstream (in the US at least) until the
> Internet had gotten important enough that a large percentage of the
> population felt a need to get on it. As the early stages of this process
> took place after the Amiga was already dead (I'd put the start of the
> Internet revolution at around 1995 or so), the vast majority of personal
> computer users today have next to no memories of Amigas.

Ack ! http://www.sabrina-online.com/strips/SabOnline01.GIF

A lot of people in UK and DE remenbers the Amiga as a game platform only, they bought A500s or A1200s and played their games directly from the floppy, some expanded their Amiga with accelerators. The Amiga fanatics, who really spend the money for a desktop Amiga, where a minority und a potential AOS4 (or MOS) would only be bought by that minority.

Genesi and even Hyperion knows, they can sell their OS only in a market where compatibility to Windows is unnecessary and where a small streamlined OS could be usefull. So there is no real chance to get any Amiga(like)OS into the desktop-market again.

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Don Cox. jhkjkjhkjh.

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On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Anon wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:
> > first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name.
> > one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos. one very
> > important thing in this little hooby of ours, is the name amiga. everyone
> > have had one in one time or another, the name is burnt in the memories of
> > most people that uses computers today.
>
> Reality check: it's not. Most people have only vague memories of Amiga, if
> any at all. Computers didn't go mainstream (in the US at least) until the
> Internet had gotten important enough that a large percentage of the
> population felt a need to get on it. As the early stages of this process
> took place after the Amiga was already dead (I'd put the start of the
> Internet revolution at around 1995 or so), the vast majority of personal
> computer users today have next to no memories of Amigas.
>
> Amiga has already faded into obscurity, and you're concern trolling that a
> semi-hobby spinoff doesn't have access to that wholly irrelevant name.
> Wake up, neither MorphOS nor AmigaOS is ever going to be big again.
>

A whole generation has grown up since Commodore went bust. For current college students, the C64 and Amiga are as much history as Babbage.

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AdmV. AdmV.

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On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, megol wrote:

> If the MorphOS team is arrogant, what do you call the Hyperion bros? They
> have succeeded in not only being arrogant, unrealistic, uninformed,
> illogical and condescending to people (who later proved to be right). I
> have not seen any apologies after them insulting people that was right. I'd
> almost compare them to Linus "Asshole" Torvalds but he at least knows what
> he's talking about most of the time.

Perhaps I did not make myself clear, there are occasions where arrogance is a good thing. In most cases the arrogance of some in the MOS team is what creates a solid product. But it also means they do it their way and that_is_it.

I was not trying to compare Hyperion to MOS or MOS to hyperion.

> > They also do seem to prefer to keep it quiet and manageable. The sands of
> > time run against them now, because they have simply left it too late. The
> > amount of PPC mac hardware is downward trending, and they have missed the
> > boat.
> >
> More like they realize MorphOS is a hobby and not a viable commercial
> platform. They deliver and seems to be more focused on quality, not
> quantity as the AOS4 team. They have realistic expectations, something
> that's missing in the AOS4 camp.

Excuse me, its_a_pay_platform, therefore, it_is_commercial.
There are always misunderstandings in all of this. I wished the MOS team had worked towards putting their product on PPC mac gear, for only one real reason, so that they may be better rewarded for their work and contributions.


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Jungle Bunny. #.

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On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:
> > > first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name.
> > > one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos.
> >
> >
> > Um, right. OS4 gains something intangible/metaphysical
>
> Nice _deliberate_ ignoring of the _vital need_ of this
> "intangible/metaphysical" and inconsequential as well, I guess, item.
>
> It was a total hinderance to them continuing to advance with big key
> industry players of any magnitude.

rofl

> They would look and see a lead weight
> the size of The Rock of Gibralter, and you think they would _still_ want to
> get involved?

You think they want to get involved now?

rofl

> Try telling it like it is, eh?

rofl

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, GK wrote:
> Genesi and even Hyperion knows, they can sell their OS only in a market
> where compatibility to Windows is unnecessary and where a small streamlined
> OS could be usefull. So there is no real chance to get any Amiga(like)OS
> into the desktop-market again.


You couldn't be _more utterly wrong_!!!!!!

Eyetech, Acube (Hyperion) and Genesi sold, combined, about 2,700 Amiga N-Gs .... and that's with EXTREME difficulties of ALL types. I repeat ALL types.

AND, there are many who would have bought TWO of these, had prices been half, prices ONLY attainable through VOLUME.

THAT is saying something!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now, combine THAT with how many could be sold if prices WERE half of what they are!

I am certain that the total amount, _without even exaggerating_ would be 7,000!


That is HUGE for a "dead" platform!


So, if "So there is no real chance to get any Amiga(like)OS into the desktop-market again," is how you _really_ feel about it, you should get lost, as we'll fail _without_ the constant put downs, as you desire us to, I guess.


7,000!!!!!!

That'd create some momentum, I insist!

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
> On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
> > > On Monday, Oct 19, 2009, stevegoodgay wrote:
> > > > first there was news about firefox coming now, hyperion got the amiga name.
> > > > one thing is certain this will be the slow demise of morphos.
> > >
> > >
> > > Um, right. OS4 gains something intangible/metaphysical
> >
> > Nice _deliberate_ ignoring of the _vital need_ of this
> > "intangible/metaphysical" and inconsequential as well, I guess, item.
> >
> > It was a total hinderance to them continuing to advance with big key
> > industry players of any magnitude.
>
> rofl
>
> > They would look and see a lead weight
> > the size of The Rock of Gibralter, and you think they would _still_ want to
> > get involved?
>
> You think they want to get involved now?
>
> rofl
>
> > Try telling it like it is, eh?
>
> rofl


Laugh all you want to, but I'm a realist.

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Bernd Meyer. moo@umilator.net.

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> I am certain that the total amount, _without even exaggerating_ would be
> 7,000!

You mean Amiga NG companies, between them, could, over the next year, sell not quite as many computers as Apple sold between 9am and 5pm yesterday?

Yeah, that would certainly put the Amiga on the map again, for sure...

(Apple sells a Mac roughly every 3 seconds. That's one Mac for every attendee of AmiWest in the time it took me to write this post...)

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Bernd Meyer wrote:
> On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
>
> > I am certain that the total amount, _without even exaggerating_ would be
> > 7,000!
>
> You mean Amiga NG companies, between them, could, over the next year, sell
> not quite as many computers as Apple sold between 9am and 5pm yesterday?

I'm saying that if there was only one Amiga NG producer since ~2001, that today, Wednesday October 21st, 2009, there would be _at least_ 7,000 NG Amigas floating around out there. Second part of your statement, errrrr, yeah, I guess so. :-(


Man you're a downer, you are just tooo negative!


> Yeah, that would certainly put the Amiga on the map again, for sure...


DAMN good start!

> (Apple sells a Mac roughly every 3 seconds. That's one Mac for every
> attendee of AmiWest in the time it took me to write this post...)


Oh pooh. So we should just throw the towel in then, because Bernd Meyer says so?

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Jungle Bunny. #.

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> Oh pooh. So we should just throw the towel in then, because Bernd Meyer
> says so?
>

He'd be the right one to ask, he got out while the gettin was good.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
> On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
>
> > Oh pooh. So we should just throw the towel in then, because Bernd Meyer
> > says so?
> >
>
> He'd be the right one to ask, he got out while the gettin was good.


How ever so nice of him to stay and pray for the rest of us, then.

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.. ..

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009, GK wrote:
> > Genesi and even Hyperion knows, they can sell their OS only in a market
> > where compatibility to Windows is unnecessary and where a small streamlined
> > OS could be usefull. So there is no real chance to get any Amiga(like)OS
> > into the desktop-market again.
>
>
> You couldn't be _more utterly wrong_!!!!!!
>
> Eyetech, Acube (Hyperion) and Genesi sold, combined, about 2,700 Amiga N-Gs
> .... and that's with EXTREME difficulties of ALL types. I repeat ALL
> types.

Wait, you're now including the Pegasos 1/2 as a "next gen" amiga?

Oh that's right - OS4 got a port, finally, after Hyperion lied through it's back teeth as to even the possibility of doing so. As for extreme difficulties, so far as I'm aware the Peg 2 doesn't have the issues that the Pre april Peg 1's had or all of the A1's had.

>
> AND, there are many who would have bought TWO of these, had prices been
> half, prices ONLY attainable through VOLUME.
>

Citation needed.

> THAT is saying something!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

Yes, it's saying you're about to launch into fantasy land in 3..2..1..

>
> Now, combine THAT with how many could be sold if prices WERE half of what
> they are!
>

But they didn't, this is you making shit up.

> I am certain that the total amount, _without even exaggerating_ would be
> 7,000!
>

Weren't you certain that AmigaOnes would sell in their millions?

>
> That is HUGE for a "dead" platform!
>

Is it fuck. There are an order of magnitude more C64 joysticks and C=Ones out there then all of the Terons and Pegs put together.

>
> So, if "So there is no real chance to get any Amiga(like)OS into the
> desktop-market again," is how you _really_ feel about it, you should get
> lost, as we'll fail _without_ the constant put downs, as you desire us to,
> I guess.
>

Reality check: Amiga has failed. There is a whole generation of net going folk who have never come across an Amiga. That is how long Amiga has been out of the game. The C64 is remembered fondly by most of its users, as is the Atari and the Spectrum. The Amiga, if remembered at all is remembered for corporate mismanagement, bipolar userbase and scams.

>
> 7,000!!!!!!
>

Is fuck all. Made worse by the fact that none (bar the Sam) are currently in production.

> That'd create some momentum, I insist!
>

Insist all you want, it doesn't make you correct.

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Bernd Meyer. moo@umilator.net.

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
>
> He'd be the right one to ask, he got out while the gettin was good.

I am not quite sure what you mean to say here --- but in case you are suggesting that I did well out of my Amiga-related activites at any point, you are, unfortunately, mistaken. I made a better hourly rate when I worked for McDonalds almost 20 years ago...

And in case you meant that I got out when it was time to get out, then, alas, that too is not so; I banged my head against a wall for the better part of a year with nothing at all to show for it in the end.

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Jungle Bunny. #.

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Bernd Meyer wrote:
> On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
> >
> > He'd be the right one to ask, he got out while the gettin was good.
>
> I am not quite sure what you mean to say here

I mean to say you got out when it made sense to do so.

> --- but in case you are
> suggesting that I did well out of my Amiga-related activites at any point,
> you are, unfortunately, mistaken. I made a better hourly rate when I worked
> for McDonalds almost 20 years ago...
>
> And in case you meant that I got out when it was time to get out, then,
> alas, that too is not so; I banged my head against a wall for the better
> part of a year with nothing at all to show for it in the end.

Unfortunately, yes, but at my end I got Amithlon out of it, and if you had gotten out sooner, well, I wouldn't have it :P

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Senex. ätt gmx punkt de.

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Okay, maybe I should have been more clear: when I mentioned Hyperion, then not to imply that I'd consider OS4 to be better, more successful, etc. - but instead just to show that the given example of a major news-site (heise.de) basically still does cover also alternative operating systems, i.e. that the non-mentioning of MorphOS for Mac mini has not been simply due to a possibly phased out interest in general.

The consistency of MorphOS team's politics is true, of course - at least if, and that's the conclusion I have to draw, the licence costs for MorphOS are not a way to gain a little bit of "beer money" from time to time (because then they would have had an interest in a broader perception of their Mac release - or, in the opposite case, they would have to give it away for free to stay consistent), but rather just a hurdle to ensure that they do only have to deal with users who are serious enough about the OS. A kind of entrance fee therefore. Not that this insight would be a surprise to me, though.

Well, it's too late anyway. I had just been disappointed a bit because I think that with a nice press kit for the non-Amiga editors out there, the MorphOS team could have gained a lot more coverage in the more "mainstream" media.

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ASiegel. ..

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On Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009, Senex wrote:

> Well, it's too late anyway. I had just been disappointed a bit because I
> think that with a nice press kit for the non-Amiga editors out there, the
> MorphOS team could have gained a lot more coverage in the more "mainstream"
> media.

Have you ever considered that it was a conscious decision to not actively promote the very first release of MorphOS for the Mac mini outside of the existing community? The existing user base is a lot more forgiving with regard to potentially undiscovered stability issues. I would like to refer you to the first release of MorphOS for the Efika...

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