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Re: MorphOS price

t. t.

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On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, elena wrote:
>
> I want the 1.5GHZ version because it\'s the fastest one. And I want 64MB
> VRAM because I want all eye-candy.

Then continue searching, it certainly isn't impossible. Do your own shopping.

> Why do you guys always compare it to OS4?

Because:

1) It's about the only competition MorphOS has, and one argument from the competitors side is that OS4 would be cheaper, but as I showed above, if you disregard from the price tag of the *OS alone* and you look at the complete picture instead, it certainly isn't. OS4 is more expensive. And while making a bigger hole in your bank account, it's not even half as fast, not as Amiga compatible, and not as feature rich as MorphOS. It's about consumer enlightenment!

2) Some retarded, prominent OS4 preacher (look for posts by "ssolie" in the links below) recently questioned the MorphOS teams right to even charge money for MorphOS at all, and tried to make it look like they would be some kind of *criminals* for doing that...
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6248
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6285
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=6287
...while the "competition" (what *he* is advocating/is part of) is actually more expensive while offering much, much less in comparison.

So that's why! Putting facts straight, in order to correct any misconceptions!

> I am not interested in OS4 and never said so.

Can't say I blame you, I understand you perfectly clear! ;-)

> Fuck OS4, I am not interested in it.

+1

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Re: MorphOS price

t. t.

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On Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009, minator wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, itix wrote:
>
> > I have located one 1.5 GHz model at 200e but I cant tell where because I
> > want it :P
>
> I've seen one at 130€.

Yes *they certainly are* available, and at good prices occasionally, but a lot more rare than the others. But I think this is more because so few (relatively speaking) was made before the PPC line was cancelled, than because some "awareness" among Mac Mini users that this would be more valuable HW.

The 1.5/64MB VRAM version wasn't really *marketed* as such AFAIK, and I don't think most people truly knows the difference between the 1.5 version and 1.42 version. Heck, I have even spoken to large Mac companies here in Sweden, that professionally sells and/or leases Mac's to organizations and individuals, and not even they were aware that a 1.5 version with 64 meg VRAM even existed. It was merely a parenthesis between the previous G4 models and the Intel models. And nobody knows that MorphOS nerds value this higher, it's simply a "none-Intel" Mac that fewer and fewer people wants at all (and it's not like the "demand" from MorphOS users will affect the prices on the second hand Mac market anyway)...

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Re: MorphOS price

jorkany. jorkany.

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On Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009, t wrote:
> 2) Some retarded, prominent OS4 preacher (look for posts by "ssolie" in the
> links below) recently questioned the MorphOS teams right to even charge
> money for MorphOS at all, and tried to make it look like they would be some
> kind of *criminals* for doing that...

Hyperion managing partner Evert Carton also tried to make people think AROS was illegal. Hyperion and Co. will say or do anything to try to get rid of any alternative.

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XraalE. moo.

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On Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> On Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009, t wrote:
> > 2) Some retarded, prominent OS4 preacher (look for posts by "ssolie" in the
> > links below) recently questioned the MorphOS teams right to even charge
> > money for MorphOS at all, and tried to make it look like they would be some
> > kind of *criminals* for doing that...

MorphOS money goes to its developers, whether you buy it or donate. OS4 money doesn't. It has gone to Amiga Inc, and into making people pretend both it and Hyperion are viable companies. That's enough to get pissed at ssolie's transparent, Bouma-esque attempts, even if he didn't have a strong history of banning MorphOS threads from AmigaWorld or banning posters because they argued with lies about it.

> Hyperion managing partner Evert Carton also tried to make people think AROS
> was illegal. Hyperion and Co. will say or do anything to try to get rid of
> any alternative.

Of course. They have always been so far behind the alternatives that they cannot compete fairly: but we all know that. But it wouldn't be so much of a problem if there weren't so many willing helpers, like ssolie above. I don't understand this at all. Like most people, I wouldn't intentionally fraud anyone about MOS, even if I thought it was in trouble and needed help, even if I thought that not lying would open an avenue of attack. But even above the usual OS4 fanboy (who usually just invent bizarre reasons to support their OS and dogmatically believe them), people like ssolie do intentionally deceive, and they *know* they're doing it. And they've been doing it for ages with their private forums and mailing lists and censored sites.

Bottom line is that MorphOS is overpriced for what it does. It is not a modern OS, and anyone who expects to dump their PC for a MOS Mac Mini is fooling themselves; as is anyone who wants that 80s Amiga rush back. But then again, if a person is at all interested in MorphOS/AmigaOS at all, then that money will probably be worth it. They get to try it. I don't believe in any 99 euro psychological barriers. The psychological barrier is buying into an OS that's 15 years behind current technology, even if it is the ultimate pinnacle of Amigalike OS usage, running on a machine that's not been on active sale for some years.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, t wrote:
>
> I never spoke of the 1.5GHz version. They are a lot more rare than any
> other version, and the (merely 0.08GHz slower) 1.42GHz version will give
> you the ~2x performance over Pegasos 2 I'm talking about (and they can
> easily be overclocked to, say 1.58GHz, if you are interested).
>
> Second hand Mac Minis are available in several versions, and even the
> slowest version is a vast improvement compared to the fastest OS4 hardware
> (Peg2), and very much cheaper. I haven't heard a single report of a 1.25GHz
> Mac Mini owner that complains about low speed in MorphOS, rather the
> opposite. So if low cost is your top priority, get one of those. Or if
> performance is your top priority, get the 1.42GHz version. If you feel you
> absolutely need the 64MB VRAM version (which isn't really necessary at all
> for normal usage), then you will of course have to be prepared to search
> some more, *especially* if you want it at bargain prices (which certainly
> can happen from time to time). So again, you'll have to do your own
> shopping, according to your own wants and needs.
>
> Facts remains though:
>
> 1) MorphOS 2.4 (registered) Mac Mini systems are *cheaper* than OS4 systems
> (no matter if it's Peg2 or Sam), and not only that, but they also
> outperforms the *fastest* OS4 system by a factor of 2.
>
> 2) You could easily get *two* MorphOS 2.4 (registered) systems *cheaper*
> than *one* Sam440+OS4 system, and while I still lack a descent, factual
> performance comparisons between those systems, I would expect the MorphOS
> Mac Mini system (even the slowest and cheapest version) to beat the Sam+OS4
> performance figures in a way like this:


*YAWN*!!

Oh, at least you aren't actually trolling for a change....



> http://360digest.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/whack-a-mole.jpg


Spoke too soon.



At any rate, _not_ a fan of used HW.

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Re: MorphOS price

Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, itix wrote:
> On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, . wrote:
> > On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, t wrote:
> > > On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, but wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But I am not able to locate a 1.5 GHZ Mac Mini for under 250 EUR! They all
> > > > cost about 300 EUR or more. Can you show me a cheaper one Mr. Snus?
> > >
> > > No I'm afraid you'll have to do your own shopping, just like the rest of
> > > us.
> >
> > You only say this because you made a false statement. You try to portray it
> > as a cheap solution by reducing the hardware price to unreasonalbe prices.
> > There are no 1.5 Ghz Mac Minis for less than 250 EUR in Europe! Prove it!
> > No, you can't, Mr. Snusman.
>
> I have located one 1.5 GHz model at 200e but I cant tell where because I
> want it :P
>
> Generally it is impossible get 1.5 GHz Mac Minis at decent prices anymore.
> They all are going at 300e or more.


Wait 'til I tell the Mac guys trying to unload their unwanteds about your guys' cravings, hehehe. It'll make for a _quite scary_ Hallowe'en. :-DDDD

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Oct 26, 2009, itix wrote:
>
> Performance-wise I dont need 1.5 GHz model but I want 64MB VMEM. Windows
> without shadows look flat and dated (ok, admittely not important) but what
> I really want is I want it at 1920x1200 with 32bit colours. I want it just
> like it is/was on my currently broken Pegasos 2/G4.


Broken Peg 2 eh?, jonesing for an "AmigaOS" fix, eh?? Aren't you one of the AOS type OSs bashers? Saying they'll never survive, nor thrive, and they're crapola.... and yet you're looking to a resurrection for your downed machine???


Get your story straight, will ya?

XraalE should too, seems he's got MOS up and running.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009, t wrote:

> So that's why! Putting facts straight, in order to correct any
> misconceptions!


The anti-FUD crusader, takemehomegrandma....... never BIGGER bullshit have I read!

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009, t wrote:
> And nobody knows that MorphOS nerds value this
> higher, it's simply a "none-Intel" Mac that fewer and fewer people wants at
> all (and it's not like the "demand" from MorphOS users will affect the
> prices on the second hand Mac market anyway)...


You know what they say, it's a seller's market.... prepare to be gouged. LOL.

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sdgf. adgsf.

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MorphOS is an over priced piece of shit written by gay people. I installed MorphOS on my mac mini last weekend and it wouldn't even run the installer for Visual Studio or Allegro CL.

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blah blah

AdmV. AdmV.

(195.11.197.194) london.stagetech.com
On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, XraalE wrote:

> Bottom line is that MorphOS is overpriced for what it does.

That may be the case, but it is not over priced for what it is, which is probably a great deal of work by people who deserve something from their efforts.

You cannot as some have done, compare it to 'the market', because there is no 'market'. Not within the finite area they monopolise.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, XraalE wrote:
>
> > Bottom line is that MorphOS is overpriced for what it does.
>
> That may be the case, but it is not over priced for what it is, which is
> probably a great deal of work by people who deserve something from their
> efforts.
>
> You cannot as some have done, compare it to 'the market', because there is
> no 'market'. Not within the finite area they monopolise.


I am not interested in MOS, but I agree.

We have to bear the brunt of low user count.... it's not our fault that the majority of computer users have been duped by the idiocy that is the "ms- 'operating system'(sic)". This applies to linux and Mac OS as well. mac OS isn't nearly there either, it's just better than the other two, and it only took from 1984 to 2004 to get "there", and they aren't actually "there" yet, and _never_ will be either. MacOS, toooooo big.

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AdmV. AdmV.

(195.11.197.194) london.stagetech.com
On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> I am not interested in MOS, but I agree.

No, I am aware you are so cretinously monsterously stupid that you are not interested in everything you have ever actually claimed you want.

Given your never ending, moronic drivel, and monumental stupidity, its not hard to see why you cannot see:-

The basic small tidy OS you always tell everyone repeatedly, over and over and over - its your dream to own.
Reasonable hardware, A mini Mac is rather advanced for a A1 owning cretin like you.

Still, I'll give you some advice, but not because I am nice, but rather, it pains me to read any more of your agonising incontinence and mentally deranged writing, so here it is.

Go buy a fucking Mac Mini and a copy of MOS, then you can quit being incapable of running your own pirated version of windows, on hardware you don't understand, and cannot hope to handle.

PS (sorry MOS team, it had to be done..)

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jorkany. jorkany.

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On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> We have to bear the brunt of low user count.... it's not our fault that the
> majority of computer users have been duped by the idiocy that is the "ms-
> 'operating system'(sic)".

Strong testimony from a Windows XP user.

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GK. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

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On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> We have to bear the brunt of low user count.... it's not our fault that the
> majority of computer users have been duped by the idiocy that is the "ms-
> 'operating system'(sic)" ....

Most Ex Amiga users just didn't follow the idiocy of waiting forever for products thate didn't come. Now they are using Linux, Windows they play their games on PS3, XBOX or Wii even you where clever enough to buy a x86.

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notAtheist2. .@..

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On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Wednesday, Oct 28, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
>
> > We have to bear the brunt of low user count.... it's not our fault that the
> > majority of computer users have been duped by the idiocy that is the "ms-
> > 'operating system'(sic)" ....
>
> Most Ex Amiga users just didn't follow the idiocy of waiting forever for
> products thate didn't come. Now they are using Linux, Windows they play
> their games on PS3, XBOX or Wii even you where clever enough to buy a x86.

And a fair number of ex-Amigans migrated to BeOS, and then had to migrate AGAIN. I probably would have been one if I hadn't stuck with AOS 3.5 on 'classic' hardware for so long.

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