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Worldwide demand for PPC desktops

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minator. @@@.

(78.105.201.193) [78.105.201.193]
On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> Is all they choose to make junk???

<snip>

You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that this chip wasn't designed for desktops.
You build the chip for the market it's intended for, anything beyond that is either intended to expand the market or well, stupid. Their market in this case is high end embedded but where power consumption is clearly important, power consumption probably drove the interfaces selected.

Building chips is an incredibly expensive business nobody in their right mind would develop a chip for the desktop if they knew it wasn't going to sell. It's just too expensive.

That said IBM and AMCC have both recently announced new PPC cores at 1.5GHz or higher. Freescale seem more interested in slower PPCs but lots of them.


> IF IT WAS dual core, it could be QUITE useful, low wattage, 8 expansion
> slots, ~4 to 5 BIPS.

I have bought 5 computers in the last 10 years. The last computer I bought with *any* expansion slots was 9 years ago. It's all on the motherboard now, why do you still need them?

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> The CPU used in the first Efika was defective, which is why Efika could
> manage PIO4 transfers when a 9 year old NAS box can do UDMA. It's low
> amount of RAM and its weak video people could bear, but not that. Not only
> did Freescale not make Genesi aware of such a problem, they actively denied
> it was there when it was discovered.
>
> (Sorry if I'm vague on details but I don't remember much. There's plenty of
> information in the archives.)
>
> I doubt the Efika being defective made any difference to its lack of market
> penetration, but let's face it, when you buy a chip you expect it not to
> have fatal flaws, and you expect the seller not to lie to you about it.


Let's not forget, it was THEY* who sent us to MAI, what's good for the gander, is good 4 the goose too?


* motoscum

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, minator wrote:

> I have bought 5 computers in the last 10 years. The last computer I bought
> with *any* expansion slots was 9 years ago. It's all on the motherboard
> now, why do you still need them?


Battery backed up ram card. RAID card. PCIx video card. How many USB sockets does this support? Maybe need a USB3 card. Gig ethernet card, perhaps.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC8610


This looks promising:

Target Applications

* Single-Board Computers

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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What we need minimum is;

2.2 GHz dual core G4 with 1 Meg L2 cache, 533 MHz FSB (DDR2, obviously) with 2 Altivecs motherboard and 6 PCIx16 expansion slots (maybe 2 of them PCI slots).

2* 1 Gig ethernet and 4 USB2.0.

Sockets for 8 Gigs of ram. It could work if the CPUs are 36 bit.

Also, 8 Megs of FlashRom.


This is something that we could use happily until 2013, or, the end of the world.

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Alkis Tsapanidis. ezyyaat@nottingham.ac.uk.

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On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> What we need minimum is;
>
> 2.2 GHz dual core G4 with 1 Meg L2 cache, 533 MHz FSB (DDR2, obviously)
> with 2 Altivecs motherboard and 6 PCIx16 expansion slots (maybe 2 of them
> PCI slots).

It's wishful thinking but it would be cool. No reason for 6 PCI Express 16x slots, though, one would be enough, the rest can be 1x to 4x, hopefully without the plastic terminator (in case you want to put a longer card in).

> 2* 1 Gig ethernet and 4 USB2.0.

4 USBs are too few IMHO, even though you can use a hub.

> Sockets for 8 Gigs of ram. It could work if the CPUs are 36 bit.

It won't work in our 32bit OSes.

> Also, 8 Megs of FlashRom.

Hm? Why? Unless if you are targeting an embedded market that needs everything on flash, which is unlikely with such specs, there's no reason for it IMHO.

> This is something that we could use happily until 2013, or, the end of the
> world.

And it's not gonna happen...

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minator. @@@.

(78.105.201.193) [78.105.201.193]
On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> What we need minimum is;
>
> 2.2 GHz dual core G4 with 1 Meg L2 cache, 533 MHz FSB (DDR2, obviously)
> with 2 Altivecs motherboard and 6 PCIx16 expansion slots (maybe 2 of them
> PCI slots).
>
> 2* 1 Gig ethernet and 4 USB2.0.
>
> Sockets for 8 Gigs of ram. It could work if the CPUs are 36 bit.
>
> Also, 8 Megs of FlashRom.
>
>
> This is something that we could use happily until 2013, or, the end of the
> world.

What about this:

Dual core 1.5GHz,
512KB cache (possibly 1MB)
800MHz DDR2
2x PCIe 2.0 (8 lane each)
4x GigE with H/W acceleration
Possibly under 10W

I think something like that is quite likely to appear when the Titan chips appear in a few months given all those I/O are already on existing AMCC parts.

Who knows, might even be cheap enough to build a board around...

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, minator wrote:
>
> What about this:
>
> Dual core 1.5GHz,
> 512KB cache (possibly 1MB)
> 800MHz DDR2
> 2x PCIe 2.0 (8 lane each)
> 4x GigE with H/W acceleration
> Possibly under 10W
>
> I think something like that is quite likely to appear when the Titan chips
> appear in a few months given all those I/O are already on existing AMCC
> parts.
>
> Who knows, might even be cheap enough to build a board around...


I think that for the next 2 years, that's pretty good (well, almost), hopefully it does have 1 Meg cache. However, if it lacks Altivec, it's almost a downgrade vs. the AmigaOne CPU. Considering how long ago there was an 800 MHz CPU + 800 MHz Altivec (it's like one 1.5 GHz CPU). However, the DDR2 should do wonders for performance.

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Jorkany. Jorkany.

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On Friday, Oct 30, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> And I bet they do this without warning, and it's a complete surprise to
> almost everyone but the insiders who will be acting in strange and
> squirrely ways and preparing the ground with carefully chosen forum topics.
> You know, "maybe x86 is not so bad" and "do you really use old software
> anyway? It doesn't really work on OS4."

it's already starting:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29845&forum=14&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#517768

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, Jorkany wrote:
> On Friday, Oct 30, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> > And I bet they do this without warning, and it's a complete surprise to
> > almost everyone but the insiders who will be acting in strange and
> > squirrely ways and preparing the ground with carefully chosen forum topics.
> > You know, "maybe x86 is not so bad" and "do you really use old software
> > anyway? It doesn't really work on OS4."
>
> it's already starting:
>
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29845&forum=14&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#517768
>

Going by this thread, it's looking like the fan crowd are catching on a lot quicker than I had expected. Bring on more apologists, Hyperion! Use the complaint system against anyone too shrewed. Don't let them speculate!

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> Use the complaint system against anyone too shrewed. Don't let them speculate!

Of course I meant shrewd and not attacked by a shrew. Where is Yo these days anyway?

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jorkany. jorkany.

(97.77.93.214) [97.77.93.214]
On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, Jorkany wrote:
> > On Friday, Oct 30, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> > > And I bet they do this without warning, and it's a complete surprise to
> > > almost everyone but the insiders who will be acting in strange and
> > > squirrely ways and preparing the ground with carefully chosen forum topics.
> > > You know, "maybe x86 is not so bad" and "do you really use old software
> > > anyway? It doesn't really work on OS4."
> >
> > it's already starting:
> >
> >
> > http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29845&forum=14&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#517768
> >
>
> Going by this thread, it's looking like the fan crowd are catching on a lot
> quicker than I had expected. Bring on more apologists, Hyperion! Use the
> complaint system against anyone too shrewed. Don't let them speculate!

I'm wondering how long it will be before ssolie starts trying to get the "official announcement" videos from AmiWest taken down.

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t. t.

(84.23.159.2) 84.23.159.2
On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, minator wrote:

> What about this:
>
> Dual core 1.5GHz,
> 512KB cache (possibly 1MB)
> 800MHz DDR2
> 2x PCIe 2.0 (8 lane each)
> 4x GigE with H/W acceleration
> Possibly under 10W
>
> I think something like that is quite likely to appear when the Titan chips
> appear in a few months given all those I/O are already on existing AMCC
> parts.
>
> Who knows, might even be cheap enough to build a board around...

That's pretty much a Freescale MPC8641D...

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jorkany. jorkany.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> I'm wondering how long it will be before ssolie starts trying to get the
> "official announcement" videos from AmiWest taken down.

And now there is no 4.2, its all just a set of announcement of "future goals", some such as SMP dating back to the original statements Hyperion made about OS4 back around 2000.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29845&forum=14&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0#517864

"When SMP may be delivered has not been announced. It is only a future goal."

"After 4.1.1 nothing more has been announced by Hyperion. All you have there are a few future goals."

"There is no version number attached to any of the goals."

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> I'm wondering how long it will be before ssolie starts trying to get the
> "official announcement" videos from AmiWest taken down.


None of their plans are concrete, you know? They can't be because they have a limited budget.


Why can't people accept that they are a "general outline" of future progress, merely. That's the best they can do, so SUCK IT UP!

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> > I'm wondering how long it will be before ssolie starts trying to get the
> > "official announcement" videos from AmiWest taken down.
>
> And now there is no 4.2, its all just a set of announcement of "future
> goals", some such as SMP dating back to the original statements Hyperion
> made about OS4 back around 2000.
>
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29845&forum=14&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0#517864
>
> "When SMP may be delivered has not been announced. It is only a future
> goal."
>
> "After 4.1.1 nothing more has been announced by Hyperion. All you have
> there are a few future goals."
>
> "There is no version number attached to any of the goals."

They're just around the corner, two more weeks!

People are going to start putting 4.2 and 4.2 together, and getting 5. And OS5 isn't a bus ride they can join in on.

ssolie himself will give the game away, although the Friedens tend to be grumpier around things they are trying to conceal. It will be entertaining to see how this pans out. If I was the paranoid type I'd even say Dammy's ban was motivated by the fact that he's stumbled onto something they want to hide, although there's no evidence of that just yet. Just let's say that if Hyperion and AInc really were partners now, their future vision would be the same: abandon of the classic for some half-assed OS5 hosted dev OS on embedded.

And if course if this isn't the case, then their list of future goals would just illustrate how poorly they planned and executed their AmigaOS clone. "SMP? We didn't say that! Moderator, we're being harrassed by trolls!"

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> > On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, jorkany wrote:
> > > I'm wondering how long it will be before ssolie starts trying to get the
> > > "official announcement" videos from AmiWest taken down.
> >
> > And now there is no 4.2, its all just a set of announcement of "future
> > goals", some such as SMP dating back to the original statements Hyperion
> > made about OS4 back around 2000.
> >
> >
> > http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=29845&forum=14&start=120&viewmode=flat&order=0#517864
> >
> > "When SMP may be delivered has not been announced. It is only a future
> > goal."
> >
> > "After 4.1.1 nothing more has been announced by Hyperion. All you have
> > there are a few future goals."
> >
> > "There is no version number attached to any of the goals."
>
> They're just around the corner, two more weeks!
>
> People are going to start putting 4.2 and 4.2 together, and getting 5. And
> OS5 isn't a bus ride they can join in on.
>
> ssolie himself will give the game away, although the Friedens tend to be
> grumpier around things they are trying to conceal. It will be entertaining
> to see how this pans out. If I was the paranoid type I'd even say Dammy's
> ban was motivated by the fact that he's stumbled onto something they want
> to hide, although there's no evidence of that just yet. Just let's say that
> if Hyperion and AInc really were partners now, their future vision would be
> the same: abandon of the classic for some half-assed OS5 hosted dev OS on
> embedded.
>
> And if course if this isn't the case, then their list of future goals would
> just illustrate how poorly they planned and executed their AmigaOS clone.
> "SMP? We didn't say that! Moderator, we're being harrassed by trolls!"



Will the FUD(ge) [b]never cease emanating from your ASS?????????????[/b]

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GK. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, XraalE wrote:

> "SMP? We didn't say that! ..

Funny I never saw one of the Friedens writing SMP, I remebered one of them saying Multiprocessing and most of the Fans started daning arround and chanting SMP SMP SMP ...

Some details on SSolies post make me think he is just a Hyperion guest developer. He heard some rumors here combined some things there ... than he asked if he could represent Hyperion at AmiWest ...

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Ronald. ....

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On Sunday, Nov 1, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
>
>
> Let's not forget, it was THEY* who sent us to MAI, what's good for the
> gander, is good 4 the goose too?
>
>
> * motoscum
>

And let's not forget who are responsible for selling those defective Terons to BAFs: Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion.

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