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Jungle Bunny. #.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > Show me one place in any of the
> > previous contracts between AI and
> > Hyperion where it's lump sum agreement
> > with cash and carry?
>
> Best point against my 'here is a money now everyone could go his own way'
> Idea
> No one not AInc. not Hyperion have ever had cache.

they've had cache coherency problems

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XraalE. moo.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, Jungle Bunny wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, GK wrote:
> > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > > Show me one place in any of the
> > > previous contracts between AI and
> > > Hyperion where it's lump sum agreement
> > > with cash and carry?
> >
> > Best point against my 'here is a money now everyone could go his own way'
> > Idea
> > No one not AInc. not Hyperion have ever had cache.
>
> they've had cache coherency problems

They have bounce tables. Their paychecks come from there.

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > > They went against the community, they paid the price, unfortunately it cost
> > > us BIG TIME as well.
> >
> > No, they listen to you all about PPC and then paid the price.
>
> It was a good, and only available path at the time.

<snip>

Nope, they should have stuck with x86 like AI/GW was going to go with under QNX then Linux kernel. Then AI was signed a contract with Bernd for Umilator on laptops. They stopped and listen to go down what turned out to be the tarpit road of PPC. Had they turned a deaf ear to the PPC fans, OS4 would be running on laptops. Heck, I would have bought a Umilator laptop and or desktop back then.

Dammy

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AdmV. AdmV.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > > > They went against the community, they paid the price, unfortunately it cost
> > > > us BIG TIME as well.
> > >
> > > No, they listen to you all about PPC and then paid the price.
> >
> > It was a good, and only available path at the time.
>
> <snip>
>
> Nope, they should have stuck with x86 like AI/GW was going to go with under
> QNX then Linux kernel. Then AI was signed a contract with Bernd for
> Umilator on laptops. They stopped and listen to go down what turned out to
> be the tarpit road of PPC. Had they turned a deaf ear to the PPC fans, OS4
> would be running on laptops. Heck, I would have bought a Umilator laptop
> and or desktop back then.
>
> Dammy

Umilator was a stop gap fix. Its not the new OS, or new development you seem to think it was. It certainly transcribed things onto new hardware, but the underlying OS issues remain unchanged.

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jorakany. jorkany.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> They have bounce tables. Their paychecks come from there.
>

I admit I giggled.

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GK. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> > It was a good, and only available path at the time.
>

> Nope, they should have stuck with x86 like AI/GW was going
> to go with under QNX then Linux kernel.

Sometimes I believe GW was already on the track to sell TAO on QNX/Linux als Amiga ... I never saw any evidence for GW keeping the OS.

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > > > > They went against the community, they paid the price, unfortunately it cost
> > > > > us BIG TIME as well.
> > > >
> > > > No, they listen to you all about PPC and then paid the price.
> > >
> > > It was a good, and only available path at the time.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Nope, they should have stuck with x86 like AI/GW was going to go with under
> > QNX then Linux kernel. Then AI was signed a contract with Bernd for
> > Umilator on laptops. They stopped and listen to go down what turned out to
> > be the tarpit road of PPC. Had they turned a deaf ear to the PPC fans, OS4
> > would be running on laptops. Heck, I would have bought a Umilator laptop
> > and or desktop back then.
> >
> > Dammy
>
> Umilator was a stop gap fix. Its not the new OS, or new development you
> seem to think it was. It certainly transcribed things onto new hardware,
> but the underlying OS issues remain unchanged.

True, but AI could have used it as the bridge to OS4 based on AI/GW's Linux Kernel project? My point is, there was solid work towards x86 before the PPC fanboys pushed AI down the PPC tarpit.

Dammy

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dugjh. ghjd.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> > On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > > > > > They went against the community, they paid the price, unfortunately it cost
> > > > > > us BIG TIME as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, they listen to you all about PPC and then paid the price.
> > > >
> > > > It was a good, and only available path at the time.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Nope, they should have stuck with x86 like AI/GW was going to go with under
> > > QNX then Linux kernel. Then AI was signed a contract with Bernd for
> > > Umilator on laptops. They stopped and listen to go down what turned out to
> > > be the tarpit road of PPC. Had they turned a deaf ear to the PPC fans, OS4
> > > would be running on laptops. Heck, I would have bought a Umilator laptop
> > > and or desktop back then.
> > >
> > > Dammy
> >
> > Umilator was a stop gap fix. Its not the new OS, or new development you
> > seem to think it was. It certainly transcribed things onto new hardware,
> > but the underlying OS issues remain unchanged.
>
> True, but AI could have used it as the bridge to OS4 based on AI/GW's Linux
> Kernel project? My point is, there was solid work towards x86 before the
> PPC fanboys pushed AI down the PPC tarpit.
>
> Dammy
>

Explain your exfuze bullshit, mother fucker.

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AdmV. AdmV.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:

> True, but AI could have used it as the bridge to OS4 based on AI/GW's Linux
> Kernel project? My point is, there was solid work towards x86 before the
> PPC fanboys pushed AI down the PPC tarpit.
>
> Dammy

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think PPC fanboys controlled this. Was this not broken by contractual problems, Amithlon legal issues, and AI being a bunch of knobs? You are over embellishing the role played by people simply not involved IMHO

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dfghg. dfj.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> You are over embellishing the role played by people simply
> not involved IMHO
>

Of course he is, he's high on seven+

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, AdmV wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> > True, but AI could have used it as the bridge to OS4 based on AI/GW's Linux
> > Kernel project? My point is, there was solid work towards x86 before the
> > PPC fanboys pushed AI down the PPC tarpit.
> >
> > Dammy
>
> Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think PPC fanboys controlled this. Was this
> not broken by contractual problems, Amithlon legal issues, and AI being a
> bunch of knobs? You are over embellishing the role played by people simply
> not involved IMHO

Truism, but you had the PPC fanboys barking at them for PPC solution ( plus MOS and Hyperion were pushing their indivdidual PPC centric OS as well) with the lure of existing devs who had work on Amiga PPC accelerator software. I do wish they had made a minor deal with Bernd's former partner to shut him up about Umilator legality, but we know what type of knobs AI is well known to be.

My original point is AI did have x86 pathway to go so there was a choice for them other then PPC. What AI should have done, which would probably have saved them, was to use AROS x86 code, side step most of license by adding additional files not covered by the APL, then ported DEad to it and build their utopia from there.

Dammy

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AdmV. AdmV.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:

> Truism, but you had the PPC fanboys barking at them for PPC solution ( plus
> MOS and Hyperion were pushing their indivdidual PPC centric OS as well)
> with the lure of existing devs who had work on Amiga PPC accelerator
> software. I do wish they had made a minor deal with Bernd's former partner
> to shut him up about Umilator legality, but we know what type of knobs AI
> is well known to be.
>
> My original point is AI did have x86 pathway to go so there was a choice
> for them other then PPC. What AI should have done, which would probably
> have saved them, was to use AROS x86 code, side step most of license by
> adding additional files not covered by the APL, then ported DEad to it and
> build their utopia from there.
>
> Dammy

I think much of this is nonsense. AI - if we put aside the fact that they are useless knobs in the general sense, were a technology and licensing and IP outfit. Part of any rationale would or should have been to embrace and extend the technology, customer base, breadth, width, and scope of all their dealings. Making a new PPC OS, sure. Providing a supported direction for X86, allowing a nice legacy environment on hardware going forward, GREAT ! Selling cups, blankets, and trinkets, sure!. Licensing portions of the IP, sure. And on and on.

At least to me, the weird things is Amiga had quite a lot of rather old tech, that could have been re-licensed and recycled in a partner friendly way, low cost and high volume. For whatever reason they seemed to think it was high value, low volume, in amongst their other idiocy.

Really none of this lunacy is down to PPC fanboys backseat driving. The fanboys everyone babbles about have no control and had no control on these things, and anyone claiming they did, do or will is just talking shit.


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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> True, but AI could have used it as the bridge to OS4 based on AI/GW's Linux
> Kernel project? My point is, there was solid work towards x86 before the
> PPC fanboys pushed AI down the PPC tarpit.

NO!

It's AOS, which is an OPERATING SYSTEM, or it's linux, some wanna be emulator distortion.

Qnix IS NOT and CAN NOT be _AmigaOS_.

TAO/Intent IS NOT and CAN NOT be _AmigaOS_.

Linux IS NOT and CAN NOT be _AmigaOS_.


Amiga _is_ an Operating System, SUCK THAT UP!

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XraalE. moo.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> Truism, but you had the PPC fanboys barking at them for PPC solution ( plus
> MOS and Hyperion were pushing their indivdidual PPC centric OS as well)
> with the lure of existing devs who had work on Amiga PPC accelerator
> software. I do wish they had made a minor deal with Bernd's former partner
> to shut him up about Umilator legality, but we know what type of knobs AI
> is well known to be.
>
> My original point is AI did have x86 pathway to go so there was a choice
> for them other then PPC. What AI should have done, which would probably
> have saved them, was to use AROS x86 code, side step most of license by
> adding additional files not covered by the APL, then ported DEad to it and
> build their utopia from there.

Amiga Inc didn't give two shits about anything existing called Amiga. They wanted an investment funding magnet using the brandname, not to develop any mythical x86 Amiga line. They couldn't have done so, they wouldn't have done so. They used the existing community for kudos, and as things collapsed for them, for short term funds. They told people what they wanted to hear, sold them what they were able to sell: if they didn't try to sell it, then it wasn't theirs to sell, nor were they interested in spending any money getting it to sell. There was no "original pathway", or indeed any business plan beyond getting something out the door mature enough to have some dumbass dotcom investor go doe-eyed at.

PPC was "chosen" simply because Phase5 were the only company with the expertise, resources and chutzpa to get hardware out and the original idea had been to make MorphOS the OS4. When Phase5 and Ralph realised that AInc intended simply to take the OS away from them, it was left to the next level of stupid to pick up the slack - Hyperion. Hyperion's idea of sticking to PPC was motivated by as much greed as practicality and fanboyism: they saw a hardware platform they could lock down and control, and not have anyone out there using illegal copies of their OS, something Amithlon was plagued by.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, HowSadThisThreadIs wrote:
> > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure AI is not sharing any financial losses by Hyperion, but there is
> > > no logical explanation for licensing long term IP use by Hyperion and not
> > > get royalty payments out of this. They are in this together, you want to
> > > call their arrangement by another name, go for it. Take a look at the
> > > original contracts, it's all about the three (now two) of them reinventing
> > > the "Amiga" with each full filling their separate functions.
> > >
> > > They had a settlement because they need each other. I'm sure the fanboys
> > > at Hyperion will froth at the mouth over that statement, but it's the
> > > truth.
> > >
> > > Dammy
> > >
> >
> > Equally logical at a minimum but likely more so in fact due to Pentti being
> > dead and the landlord winning a huge judgement recently was a one-time
> > payment from Hyperion. Add to the mix that they have actually been paying
> > Jaime to do something and seem to want him to renew his employment
> > contract. For all that they much more likely need a lump sum to keep
> > going, not the piddly payments royalties would bring from AOS sales.
>
> Aren't you pulling this out of your ass? Show me one place in any of the
> previous contracts between AI and Hyperion where it's lump sum agreement
> with cash and carry?

Should we call you Dummy, or do you _deliberately_ ignore _facts_.... Maybe you should be posting in this thread, "Question to English native speakers" instead, really. (Maybe eXfuze is deteriorating your brain?)

In the original contract between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. one of the BIGGEST points of contention was in fact a _lump sum payment_ you stupid.

It was; Amiga Inc. send Hyperion Entertainment $25,000 and Hyperion send _every single scrap_ of PPC code (or anything else) they had written regarding AOS4.x to Amiga Inc. (_Washington_) and then the two PART WAYS AB*SO*LUTE*LY. It was a pretty final clause, was it not? Get that? Got that?? Good!!!


We could forgive you a mistake here, or a small error there, but this is IN YOUR FACE _fact_!


> Show me where the last contact is null and voided by
> both parties?

Errr, there were clauses in the contract that made it possible to null and void the contract from _one party_, both don't have to null and void for it to be so, again "Question to English native speakers" might be where you should continue this conversation.


> I highly doubt that Hyperion could pay for such a lump sum
> that AI would be demanding.

Amiga Inc. isn't in a position to demand anything, they _rightfully_ owe Hyperion EVERY CENT that Hyperion had to spend on lawyers fees!!!!!!!!!

Get that? Got that, idiot? Good.


> Now shares in Hyperion, could be a real option

Amiga Inc. has no value, and nothing of value should or has to be shared with them. Heck, didn't you hear they will soon be FORCED to fill in bankruptcy forms?

> but we know AI had to get something out of this long term, what is the
> question.

How about, prison sentences! (Something illegal MUST have been going on there!!)

LOL!!!!!!





> There are two signed contracts posted on Justia, one of them as far as
> anyone else knows is still valid with the settlement. Where is your proof
> that the last contract was voided by both parties?


Wow, never have I seen someone grasp at straws this much!

Contract with WHO now? Zombie Amiga Inc. will be no more very, very soon.

Simply, Hyperion just couldn't wait it out any more, Zombie Amiga Inc. has hurt them for too long and too much, and they bailed the second it was "good enough" to do so.

> AI will just ignore the
> land lord's judgement against them, like they always do and it depends who
> signed the contracts and last agreement with the landlord if they made a
> personal commitment to repay it or not.

Hyperion should send the landlord checks, or should have invited them to the settlement negotiations. :-DDDD

> > You also can't say Hyperion operates at a financial loss since you have no
> > access to their balance sheet. Your guess might very well be true, but
> > they are at best guesses, possibly educated to a *degree*. But declaring
> > that they are partners is a unfair bullshit without proof. You got called
> > on that after they let you go on it a few times out of pity and sympathy
> > for you (a part you are trying to ignore - BIG SURPRISE). Eventually
> > somebody said "enough already".
>
> I didn't state (at least I do not remember stating it like that) that
> Hyperion IS operating in the negative and made that pretty plain that I
> doubt AI would share any losses of Hyperion, just get paid their royalty
> from Hyperion.

You desire that Hyperion go broke, _I_ desire your eXfuze "empire" do the same shimmy to the gutter too. Don't worry should that happen, though, as there's still Amway (or scientology).

> AI just finished WORKING with Hyperion on the settlement,
> Hyperion just got unleashed in this deal with AI. Shouldn't you all be
> celebrating AI's wisdom to allow Hyperion to go off the tether? Hell no!

AI's "wisdom"???? LOL!!!!!!!!

> Let's talk about criminal acts against AI instead!

_MAJOR_ LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does eXfuze = hallucinogenic drugs????


> > Add to the mix you are an Exfuze salesman who says he hates Hyperion, at a
> > minimum you are not going to be easily viewed as the wronged neutral
> > even-handed type. Not by anyone reasonable anyway.
>
> What, you all need to STFU about AI and move on is being negative towards
> Hyperion?

Is this a question or a statement, or a combination of the two? Please rephrase.


> How the hell is the rant fest against AI going to help Hyperion's sales?

It can't _hurt_, that's fer shure.


And _since when_ has DAMMY been _against_ rant fests against AMIGA INC.!!!!!!!!


Please stop, my guts a bustin'. ROTFLOL!!!!!!


> Think for a minute, even though it might be difficult
> and hurt for a few minutes,

If you tried to right now after this strange entry from you, your brain would need about 1,000 Tylenol 3's right about now, then!


> would bashing AI be apart of Hyperion's future
> PR campaign?

I hope it, and I thought you'd be right there with me, shoulder to shoulder.....

> No?


YES!!

> Because it won't HELP THEM MAKE SALES.

Debatable. Okay, you win, no it won't.



> If I hated Hyperion, I'd be there on AWN making more hate towards AI
> because that type of negative emotion is going to hurt Hyperion in the long
> run.

R O T F - L O L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even though I don't have a reply for that, I'll still say;

Please stop, you're making it TOO EASY for me to harass you, please!


> Dammy
>

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, HowSadThisThreadIs wrote:
> > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > Add to the mix you are an Exfuze salesman who says he hates Hyperion, at a
> > minimum you are not going to be easily viewed as the wronged neutral
> > even-handed type. Not by anyone reasonable anyway.
>
> What, you all need to STFU about AI and move on is being negative towards
> Hyperion?


Okay, I deciphered it and it makes sense now. Good lawyer-speak.


Bashing Amiga Inc. _to everyone that even knows only 15% of the back story_ isn't going to cost Hyperion even ONE sale of AOS and NG HW. May even get them pity sales. Every sale is a good sale. :-)


And also it makes us feel good too. (It certainly made YOUR days, funny bunny. ;-) :-D)

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GK. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:

> Truism, but you had the PPC fanboys barking at them for PPC solution ( plus
> MOS and Hyperion were pushing their indivdidual PPC centric OS as well)

I am what you would call a 'PPC fanboy', PPC did looked like a good solution at that time, companies like Phase5 or Metabox wanted to develop PPC hardware and selling it in the Mac and Amiga market ...

> My original point is AI did have x86 pathway to go ...

Everything that came from AI in this time was just a 'we never will sell or produce Amigas, we never will develop another AmigaOS'. Their x86 pathway was called AmigaDE.

I looked to their 'TAO/ELATE/AmigaDE' announcements; I found it stupid.
I looked again; it looked ugly,
I took another look; it didn't look like Amiga to me.

So I focussed to MorphOS, because I knew what Ralph could do. I never give much hopes into Hyperion, especially when they made a contract with the 'NoAmiga anymore Amiga Inc.' To me it looked like Amiga Inc. found someone selling the junk they don't wanted to have anymore.

Atz this time AROS was far away from being more than one of the fantasy Amigaoid-OS followers. If I wanted to switch to a x86 like AmigaOS, I would have chosen BeOS ...

Back to AmigaInc:

If Amiga Inc. would have liked to do something for the Amiga, they would have published the OS source under GPL. But their business model says: 'sell licences' so they would never have worked with AROS. Yes I know 25000$ for a closed source x86 AmigaNG kernel development together with a GPL UAE and everything else from the AROS-Team under GPL would have been a possible solution, but Amiga Inc's business idea was different.

And for all the TAO/Elate AmigaDE ideas, if they would have includes it into an Amigaoid OS on x86, they would have got enough 'intend' to survive.


cu GK

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> > Truism, but you had the PPC fanboys barking at them for PPC solution ( plus
> > MOS and Hyperion were pushing their indivdidual PPC centric OS as well)
>
> I am what you would call a 'PPC fanboy', PPC did looked like a good
> solution at that time, companies like Phase5 or Metabox wanted to develop
> PPC hardware and selling it in the Mac and Amiga market ...
>
> > My original point is AI did have x86 pathway to go ...
>
> Everything that came from AI in this time was just a 'we never will sell or
> produce Amigas, we never will develop another AmigaOS'. Their x86 pathway
> was called AmigaDE.

Your forgetting prior to DEad, AI was going to use QSSL's Neutrino as the new kernel and then they jumped to Linux kernel after the Sheeplord hosed the deal with QSSL. That sure was a nice pathway to x86 and other archs.

>
> I looked to their 'TAO/ELATE/AmigaDE' announcements; I found it stupid.
> I looked again; it looked ugly,
> I took another look; it didn't look like Amiga to me.
>
> So I focussed to MorphOS, because I knew what Ralph could do. I never give
> much hopes into Hyperion, especially when they made a contract with the
> 'NoAmiga anymore Amiga Inc.' To me it looked like Amiga Inc. found someone
> selling the junk they don't wanted to have anymore.
>
> Atz this time AROS was far away from being more than one of the fantasy
> Amigaoid-OS followers. If I wanted to switch to a x86 like AmigaOS, I would
> have chosen BeOS ...
>
> Back to AmigaInc:
>
> If Amiga Inc. would have liked to do something for the Amiga, they would
> have published the OS source under GPL. But their business model says:
> 'sell licences' so they would never have worked with AROS. Yes I know
> 25000$ for a closed source x86 AmigaNG kernel development together with a
> GPL UAE and everything else from the AROS-Team under GPL would have been a
> possible solution, but Amiga Inc's business idea was different.

I will point out Amiga Forever as commerical product and vast majority of AROS was (and still is) APL licensed. MOS couldn't use AOS code and had to jump to AROS as a substitute code. Shortly after that is when several major AROS devs found out about the seperate files could be created that were associated with the AROS code but kept as closed sourced under the MPL/APL license.

> And for all the TAO/Elate AmigaDE ideas, if they would have includes it
> into an Amigaoid OS on x86, they would have got enough 'intend' to
> survive.

DEad was a disaster and a half.

Dammy

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AdmV. AdmV.

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On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> > Truism, but you had the PPC fanboys barking at them for PPC solution ( plus
> > MOS and Hyperion were pushing their indivdidual PPC centric OS as well)
>
> I am what you would call a 'PPC fanboy', PPC did looked like a good
> solution at that time, companies like Phase5 or Metabox wanted to develop
> PPC hardware and selling it in the Mac and Amiga market ...
>
> > My original point is AI did have x86 pathway to go ...
>
> Everything that came from AI in this time was just a 'we never will sell or
> produce Amigas, we never will develop another AmigaOS'. Their x86 pathway
> was called AmigaDE.
>
> I looked to their 'TAO/ELATE/AmigaDE' announcements; I found it stupid.
> I looked again; it looked ugly,
> I took another look; it didn't look like Amiga to me.
>
> So I focussed to MorphOS, because I knew what Ralph could do. I never give
> much hopes into Hyperion, especially when they made a contract with the
> 'NoAmiga anymore Amiga Inc.' To me it looked like Amiga Inc. found someone
> selling the junk they don't wanted to have anymore.
>
> Atz this time AROS was far away from being more than one of the fantasy
> Amigaoid-OS followers. If I wanted to switch to a x86 like AmigaOS, I would
> have chosen BeOS ...
>
> Back to AmigaInc:
>
> If Amiga Inc. would have liked to do something for the Amiga, they would
> have published the OS source under GPL. But their business model says:
> 'sell licences' so they would never have worked with AROS. Yes I know
> 25000$ for a closed source x86 AmigaNG kernel development together with a
> GPL UAE and everything else from the AROS-Team under GPL would have been a
> possible solution, but Amiga Inc's business idea was different.
>
> And for all the TAO/Elate AmigaDE ideas, if they would have includes it
> into an Amigaoid OS on x86, they would have got enough 'intend' to
> survive.
>
>
> cu GK

Amiga had the opportunity to have someone decent commit to working on the OS (Ralph and others) and the opportunity to drive forward an X86 legacy based platform, with possibly the option of creating APIs and a new direction with Amithlon. They had other opportunities as well. The fact they are untrustworthy, have no funding and are fucknuts is probably the bigger issue.

Somehow they decided they wanted to be a phone software company, but I guess the Itunes store screwed that over as well. There is no point in discussion really, they founled up again and again, and allied themselves with people who were simply the wrong people, and now there is nothing left worth talking about.

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Re: 7 day ban for Dammy

notAtheist2. .@..

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On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, dammy wrote:
> >
> > True, but AI could have used it as the bridge to OS4 based on AI/GW's Linux
> > Kernel project? My point is, there was solid work towards x86 before the
> > PPC fanboys pushed AI down the PPC tarpit.
>
> NO!
>
> It's AOS, which is an OPERATING SYSTEM, or it's linux, some wanna be
> emulator distortion.
>
> Qnix IS NOT and CAN NOT be _AmigaOS_.
>
> TAO/Intent IS NOT and CAN NOT be _AmigaOS_.
>
> Linux IS NOT and CAN NOT be _AmigaOS_.
>
>
> Amiga _is_ an Operating System, SUCK THAT UP!

...says Atheist2, whose understanding of the meaning of "operating system" leads him to believe that, somehow, an OS can be installed inside another OS. Because that's what "multi-user" seems to mean.

Read it again. "Kernel". The next-gen AmigaOS could have been based on a Linux (or QNX, or whatever) KERNEL. This is NOT the same thing as emulation.

Though I expect your understanding of the term "emulation" will rank right up there with your understanding of the terms "operating system" and "multi-user".

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notAtheist2. .@..

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> "Kernel". The next-gen AmigaOS could have been based on a
> Linux (or QNX, or whatever) KERNEL. This is NOT the same thing as
> emulation.

And I'll admit to my own lack of knowledge here - but given that Linux is supported on multiple platforms (including, back in the day, m68k), wouldn't this have potentially meant this theoretical next-gen AOS would have run on all those platforms too? Or am I off base here?

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GK. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

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On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, dammy wrote:

>
> Your forgetting prior to DEad, AI was going to use QSSL's Neutrino as the
> new kernel and then they jumped to Linux kernel after the Sheeplord hosed
> the deal with QSSL. That sure was a nice pathway to x86 and other archs.

This was under GW2k IMR and chosing a kernel doesn't mean chosing the OS. Collas wrote to much thing that did fit more to TAO/Elate than to AmigaOS. AmigaDE is not what I wanted and still not want.

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> >
> > Your forgetting prior to DEad, AI was going to use QSSL's Neutrino as the
> > new kernel and then they jumped to Linux kernel after the Sheeplord hosed
> > the deal with QSSL. That sure was a nice pathway to x86 and other archs.
>
> This was under GW2k IMR

Yup, and we know what idiots were working at Amiga Inc under GW at the time.

> and chosing a kernel doesn't mean chosing the OS.

This is very true, wish the others would remember that when slamming Anubis-os. Neutrino would have been an excellent choice for OS4 if sheeplord didn't screw it all up.

> Collas wrote to much thing that did fit more to TAO/Elate than to AmigaOS.
> AmigaDE is not what I wanted and still not want.

I have to agree with you there.

Dammy

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AdmV. AdmV.

(195.11.197.194) london.stagetech.com
On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> >
> > Your forgetting prior to DEad, AI was going to use QSSL's Neutrino as the
> > new kernel and then they jumped to Linux kernel after the Sheeplord hosed
> > the deal with QSSL. That sure was a nice pathway to x86 and other archs.
>
> This was under GW2k IMR and chosing a kernel doesn't mean chosing the OS.
> Collas wrote to much thing that did fit more to TAO/Elate than to AmigaOS.
> AmigaDE is not what I wanted and still not want.

Collas was at least partially involved in getting 3.9 pushed and finished, published, bug tested, and put in the actual marketplace. I know most of it was done by Hagge and Partner, but overall it was handled the right way.


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megol. .@..

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On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, dammy wrote:
> ...
> This is very true, wish the others would remember that when slamming
> Anubis-os. Neutrino would have been an excellent choice for OS4 if
> sheeplord didn't screw it all up.
>
The difference is that using the Linux kernel efficiently forces the rest of the operating system to be a POSIX derivative. No I'm not talking about the GUI and CLI subsystems but the UNIXisms are deeply ingrained in the LINUX kernel. Not so for the Neutrino system, while it also is POSIX compliant the effort to design a more AmigaOS like system is much lower due to the real microkernel design.

But then there have been no visible activity since the Anubis project started. Why don't you (=the participants) create something before making an essentially empty website/sourceforge project? While I have written a number of kernels, GUI code and done general designs for a number of systems (or rather a continuous development of one system) since the 1990s I sure don't claim that I have an active project.

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, megol wrote:
> On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, dammy wrote:
> > ...
> > This is very true, wish the others would remember that when slamming
> > Anubis-os. Neutrino would have been an excellent choice for OS4 if
> > sheeplord didn't screw it all up.
> >
> The difference is that using the Linux kernel efficiently forces the rest
> of the operating system to be a POSIX derivative.

You can hide it from the end user.

No I'm not talking about
> the GUI and CLI subsystems but the UNIXisms are deeply ingrained in the
> LINUX kernel. Not so for the Neutrino system, while it also is POSIX
> compliant the effort to design a more AmigaOS like system is much lower due
> to the real microkernel design.

Sure till the Sheeplord screws the entire project up over email. Then Linux is the only reasonable alternative,

> But then there have been no visible activity since the Anubis project
> started. Why don't you (=the participants) create something before making
> an essentially empty website/sourceforge project? While I have written a
> number of kernels, GUI code and done general designs for a number of
> systems (or rather a continuous development of one system) since the 1990s
> I sure don't claim that I have an active project.

There was a false start, long delay, then search for new manager. Wait is over, IRC meeting in #anubis this weekend, probably in the morning hours for US time zones - afternoon hours in EU time zones.

Dammy

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megol. .@..

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On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, dammy wrote:
>
> You can hide it from the end user.
>
Well I have to admit that Apple are relatively successful in hiding the BSD sublayer in OS X. I think it will be a bit more difficult with Linux but it could work (perhaps).
> ...
> There was a false start, long delay, then search for new manager. Wait is
> over, IRC meeting in #anubis this weekend, probably in the morning hours
> for US time zones - afternoon hours in EU time zones.
>
Okay. Despite what I wrote I'd be very interested in a Linux-based system with a reasonable user interface layer. Or BSD-based for that matter.

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t. t.

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@ dammy

Read through this thread...

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29940&forum=14&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

...and tell me why you even *want* to be part of that site?

Here is a quote from "The Muppet Show" theme song that I think is suitable:

"Why do we always come here
I guess we'll never know
It's like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show"

Do yourself a favor and leave it behind you!

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Damn e. Damn e.

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On Friday, Nov 6, 2009, t wrote:
> @ dammy
>
> Read through this thread...
>
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29940&forum=14&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
>
> ...and tell me why you even *want* to be part of that site?
>
> Here is a quote from "The Muppet Show" theme song that I think is
> suitable:
>
> "Why do we always come here
> I guess we'll never know
> It's like a kind of torture
> To have to watch the show"
>
> Do yourself a favor and leave it behind you!
>

How exactly is Moo Bunny any better than AW.net in this regard? This site is full of talk about frozen poop, toilet paper, MLM scams, etc.

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XraalE. moo.

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On Friday, Nov 6, 2009, Damn e wrote:
> On Friday, Nov 6, 2009, t wrote:
> > @ dammy
> >
> > Read through this thread...
> >
> >
> > http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29940&forum=14&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
> >
> > ...and tell me why you even *want* to be part of that site?
> >
> > Here is a quote from "The Muppet Show" theme song that I think is
> > suitable:
> >
> > "Why do we always come here
> > I guess we'll never know
> > It's like a kind of torture
> > To have to watch the show"
> >
> > Do yourself a favor and leave it behind you!
> >
>
> How exactly is Moo Bunny any better than AW.net in this regard? This site
> is full of talk about frozen poop, toilet paper, MLM scams, etc.

I think you answered your own question. Helgis is worse. Much worse.

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f. f.

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On Friday, Nov 6, 2009, XraalE wrote:
>
> I think you answered your own question. Helgis is worse. Much worse.
>

Helgis is worse than Atheist2? Sorry, but even if thats so it would not be by much.

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XraalE. moo.

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On Saturday, Nov 7, 2009, f wrote:
> On Friday, Nov 6, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> >
> > I think you answered your own question. Helgis is worse. Much worse.
> >
>
> Helgis is worse than Atheist2? Sorry, but even if thats so it would not be
> by much.

That, at least, is one area that AWN beats Moobunny: posters here can't resist replying his ravings. AWN needs to learn to be honest with Helge too - everyone thinks he's creepy and weird, but nobody says it. How long do you think he would last on Moo?

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