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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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I had some discussion about the exact meaning of the sentence on the Hyperion announcement:

"Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo)."

Some parts doesn't make sense to me, maybe they where translated from Flemish/Dutch to English.

Is Hyperions right on AOS3.1 restricted to it's use as part of OAS4.1 ?
( rights exclusively for AOS4. insted of exclusive rights ?)

Or does it means Amiga Inc. has lost all it's right on AOS3.1 ?
( Hyperion has the exclusive right to use AOS3.1)

If I interpret the announcement in the second way I does not understand why they mentioned AOS4 together with exclusive rights on AOS3.1. When thay have exclusive rights why are they bound to AOS4 ?

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Did someone notice any changes according to the settlement on the AOS4 pages ?

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> Is Hyperions right on AOS3.1 restricted to it's use as part of OAS4.1 ?
> ( rights exclusively for AOS4. insted of exclusive rights ?)
>
> Or does it means Amiga Inc. has lost all it's right on AOS3.1 ?
> ( Hyperion has the exclusive right to use AOS3.1)

There's nothing here to say Hyperion have any rights to 3.x or below. It says 4.x, and any later versions of "Amiga" OS (hoho). That is all.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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That's a tough one, and I read English perfectly.


However, HyperionMP tried to clarify it, and somewhat did, but it _still_, *effectively* isn't clear how much of the rights they have.

For instance, Cloanto, when they sell a copy of Amiga Forever, does the 3.0 ROM and AOS3.1 portion of money go to Hyperion, or Amiga Inc. If we knew that, I think we would have the answer you are looking for.


This is closest currently available answer that I was referring to above:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29777&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0

HyperionMP said in post #106:
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment CVBA and Amiga Inc. reach settlement
Posted on 18-Oct-2009 13:38:25 [ #106 ]
Joined: 8-Mar-2003

@Kluz

According to the terms of the license Hyperion Entertainment can market and distribute AmigaOS 3.1 in any form, through any medium etc.

There is no limitation to AmigaOS 4.x.
*****

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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> However, HyperionMP tried to clarify it, and somewhat did,

1st
I doesn't trust HyperionMP first this account was used by Hermans who spread FUD against MOS, now this account is used by someone who spread FUD against AROS.

I only see Amiga Inc. still owns the name Amiga and it seems as if Amiga Inc. still own the rights on AOS3.1 including the Kickstart ROMs the Workbench a lot of tools the rights on AREX ( that was never paid by C= ).
So as long as there are not other reasons, AmigaInc. could licence dealers to sell a WinXp PC with preinstalled AOS3.1 as Amiga ...

If Amiga Inc. wants they still can sell a brushed up version of AOS3.1 as Kickstart_4.0. Where did the natami people get their ROMs from ?
From Cloanto ? From Hyperion ? From Amiga Inc. ? or do they want to use AROS kickstart replacement ?

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dammy. damocles@thenostromo.com.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> I had some discussion about the exact meaning of the sentence on the
> Hyperion announcement:
>
> "Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an
> exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use,
> develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and
> subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in
> any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform
> under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using
> other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo)."
>
> Some parts doesn't make sense to me, maybe they where translated from
> Flemish/Dutch to English.
>
> Is Hyperions right on AOS3.1 restricted to it's use as part of OAS4.1 ?
> ( rights exclusively for AOS4. insted of exclusive rights ?)
>
> Or does it means Amiga Inc. has lost all it's right on AOS3.1 ?
> ( Hyperion has the exclusive right to use AOS3.1)
>
> If I interpret the announcement in the second way I does not understand why
> they mentioned AOS4 together with exclusive rights on AOS3.1. When thay
> have exclusive rights why are they bound to AOS4 ?

From what I'm reading of this, it covers Hyperion's use of Amiga Inc IP in OS4. That is why it doesn't say Hyperion has the right for selling or licensing Amiga Inc IP. Looks mostly a CYA clause.

> ---
>
> Did someone notice any changes according to the settlement on the AOS4
> pages ?

Nope.

Dammy

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
>
> > However, HyperionMP tried to clarify it, and somewhat did,
>
> 1st
> I doesn't trust HyperionMP

Amiga Inc. is _perfectly free_ to take court action against HyperionMP if they are lying in that post. Since they can't afford that, or anything really, they AT LEAST can get a FREE account on AmigaWorld.Net and refute that statement.

However, would _anyone_ believe them if they did??? Would _anyone_ care?


> first this account was used by Hermans who
> spread FUD against MOS, now this account is used by someone who spread FUD
> against AROS.
>
> I only see Amiga Inc. still owns the name Amiga and it seems as if Amiga
> Inc. still own the rights on AOS3.1 including the Kickstart ROMs the
> Workbench a lot of tools the rights on AREX ( that was never paid by C= ).

Like father, like son, hehehe. Bad old Luke Skywalker. ;-) :-D

> So as long as there are not other reasons, AmigaInc. could licence dealers
> to sell a WinXp PC with preinstalled AOS3.1 as Amiga ...

Are they both allowed to simultaneously rack up as many people as they can to sell AOS3.1? I have _no clue_. (Two chefs, 1 pot.)

> If Amiga Inc. wants they still can sell a brushed up version of AOS3.1 as
> Kickstart_4.0.

Definitely, unknown. And Amiga Inc. _is_ keeping that a secret as well.

> Where did the natami people get their ROMs from ?

Maybe they bought them in an inventory clearout, for some reduced lot price. I don't know, I never asked them over there. Hmmmm, can you still not use it? If you buy the AOS3.1 floppies, must you have also the 3.0 ROMs somehow?

> From Cloanto ? From Hyperion ? From Amiga Inc. ? or do they want to use
> AROS kickstart replacement ?

Well, down the road they are talking about using AROS on there.

I much prefer that Hyperion Entertainment code an upgrade of AOS3.1.... However, this would be a branch, nothing to do with AOS4.x and memory protection and things like that.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, dammy wrote:

> From what I'm reading of this, it covers Hyperion's use of Amiga Inc IP in
> OS4. That is why it doesn't say Hyperion has the right for selling or
> licensing Amiga Inc IP. Looks mostly a CYA clause.


I wish that XraalE would do a "CYA" when he talks, as stuff keeps falling out.

He needs Depends, badly.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> He needs Depends, badly.


On his FACE!


Oh, but then, he can't SUCK IT UP!

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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> Old Kickstart ROMS ?

That would be stupid, if they use anything else than modern flash they should be called brainless.

> I much prefer that Hyperion Entertainment code an upgrade of AOS3.1....
> However, this would be a branch, nothing to do with AOS4.x and memory
> protection and things like that.

Keep in Mind:

Hyperion will not support Natami
Because every dollar spent for Natami is one dollar less for Hyperion and their hardware partner

Hyperion will not support AROS
Because every application for AROS is one application that doesn't need AOS4.

AOS4 doesn't have memory protection.

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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> I wish that XraalE would do a "CYA" when he
> talks, as stuff keeps falling out.

He was talking about Hyperion ...

> He needs Depends, badly.

Nice you shared your thought about Hyperion Entertainment

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XraalE. moo.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> If Amiga Inc. wants they still can sell a brushed up version of AOS3.1 as
> Kickstart_4.0. Where did the natami people get their ROMs from ?
> From Cloanto ? From Hyperion ? From Amiga Inc. ?

From mininova?

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

Here are some answers.

> > Old Kickstart ROMS ?
>
> That would be stupid, if they use anything else than modern flash they
> should be called brainless.

No, no, no, you've misunderstood. They will send an AOS 3.0 ROM chip in a bag with the NatAmi motherboard. It's not on the motherboard, just a copy of it is on a floppy that is loaded at boot up. Of course you will copy that on to a hard drive. I think that they may have a 1 Meg or bigger Flashrom, that you could put it into. Everthing's up in the air in that regard right now.


> > I much prefer that Hyperion Entertainment code an upgrade of AOS3.1....
> > However, this would be a branch, nothing to do with AOS4.x and memory
> > protection and things like that.
>
> Keep in Mind:
>
> Hyperion will not support Natami
> Because every dollar spent for Natami is one dollar less for Hyperion and
> their hardware partner

ACube sell MiniMig. There is no reason why they can't build and sell NatAmi, and with that a Hyperion copy of AOS3.1. And, if they mark up the price a little, that could cover a future AOS3.x upgrade coding.

> Hyperion will not support AROS
> Because every application for AROS is one application that doesn't need
> AOS4.

Yes, I agree with that.

> AOS4 doesn't have memory protection.


I'll leave that one to the experts.

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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> > Where did the natami people get their ROMs from ?
> > From Cloanto ? From Hyperion ? From Amiga Inc. ?
>
> From mininova?

Hehe a RS232 bootloader and an instruction how to flash the ROMs by using a terminal programm on the PC ... stoneage.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > He needs Depends, badly.
>
>
> On his FACE!
>
>
> Oh, but then, he can't SUCK IT UP!



See if they make extra absorbent pee pockets versions to keep the drool from running down your face before you buy... Always get the right tool for your tool to get the job done.

Remember, it's for your head, dick.

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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, GK wrote:
> > On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:

> > Keep in Mind:
> >
> > Hyperion will not support Natami
> > Because every dollar spent for Natami is one dollar less for Hyperion and
> > their hardware partner
>
> ACube sell MiniMig.

Without AOS3.1 Roms, so when Acube's their Software partner has the rights to distribute AOS3.1 they could sell the Minimig with 3.1 ROMs.

Or do you see something about ROMs here ?:
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=3

> There is no reason why they can't build and sell
> NatAmi,

Ack, they can as long as there is no contract that forbids it.

> and with that a Hyperion copy of AOS3.1.

Minimig is sold without ROMs.

> And, if they mark up the
> price a little, that could cover a
> future AOS3.x upgrade coding.

If Hyperion wanted to sell some kind of 68k AmigaOS4 they could have started it right after the settlement, now they should be free of the boundaries to PPC ... we will see what they do, maybe this is the MAP ... Rogue wrote 'it will dissapoint some people'

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> >
> > ACube sell MiniMig.
>
> Without AOS3.1 Roms, so when Acube's their Software partner has the rights
> to distribute AOS3.1 they could sell the Minimig with 3.1 ROMs.
>
> Or do you see something about ROMs here ?:

Hmmm, I thought it was a relatively complete system, well, no case.

But, of what use is a MiniMig with no OS or ROMs?

Okay, I found out in the instruction manual (it's a PDF that you can get from that page):

*****
This is the kickstart rom file. All kickstart versions are supported but, for game compatibility, versions 1.2 or 1.3 are recommended. The kickstart files are protected by copyright so you need to obtain a legal copy from your original Amiga or from Cloanto Amiga Forever package
*****


> > There is no reason why they can't build and sell
> > NatAmi,
>
> Ack, they can as long as there is no contract that forbids it.

Who will block them? AMiga Inc. LOL!!!!!!!!!


> > and with that a Hyperion copy of AOS3.1.
>
> Minimig is sold without ROMs.

You're right. I thought it was a complete package..... "Plug 'n' Play", not. :-((((

> > And, if they mark up the
> > price a little, that could cover a
> > future AOS3.x upgrade coding.
>
> If Hyperion wanted to sell some kind of 68k AmigaOS4 they could have
> started it right after the settlement, now they should be free of the
> boundaries to PPC ... we will see what they do, maybe this is the MAP ...
> Rogue wrote 'it will dissapoint some people'


They can't do anything until a NatAmi _exists_.

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minator. @@@.

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> I had some discussion about the exact meaning of the sentence on the
> Hyperion announcement:
>
> "Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an
> exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use,
> develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and
> subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in
> any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform
> under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using
> other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo)."

> Is Hyperions right on AOS3.1 restricted to it's use as part of OAS4.1 ?
> ( rights exclusively for AOS4. insted of exclusive rights ?)

I think that is it.
I think they're basically saying that Hyperion can use OS 3.1 for developing OS 4 and above but nobody else can. It means Amiga inc. cannot license OS 3.1 for use in any other OS. Of course, nobody else actually wants it, but that's beside the point.

It's not explicitly clear but it looks to me like it does not impact Cloanto as they are not developing an OS. If it did impact Cloanto, Amiga inc. would have (yet again) shot themselves in the foot since that would almost certainly be a breech of contract.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, minator wrote:
>
> I think that is it.
> I think they're basically saying that Hyperion can use OS 3.1 for
> developing OS 4 and above but nobody else can. It means Amiga inc. cannot
> license OS 3.1 for use in any other OS. Of course, nobody else actually
> wants it, but that's beside the point.

CYA, got to CYA, it's a scary Hallowe'en world out there. :-D


> It's not explicitly clear but it looks to me like it does not impact
> Cloanto as they are not developing an OS. If it did impact Cloanto, Amiga
> inc. would have (yet again) shot themselves in the foot since that would
> almost certainly be a breech of contract.


Like they care! ;-)

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Jungle Bunny. #.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > He needs Depends, badly.
>
>
> On his FACE!
>
>
> Oh, but then, he can't SUCK IT UP!
>

So that's why you went crotchless.

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GK. malibannNOSPAM@t-online.de.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, GK wrote:

> > Ack, they can as long as there is no contract that forbids it.
>
> Who will block them? AMiga Inc. LOL!!!!!!!!!
>
Maybe a contract with Hyperion ...

'ACube as Amiga hardware Partner will not sell hardware for the AmigaOS market without the permission of Hyperion'

If you remeber the contracts beween Amiga Inc. Hyperion and Eyetech, they looked similar, the partners where bound to the contract. Amiga Inc. could not give its IP to others, Hyperion could only sell an OS for Amiga licenced Hardware and Eyetech sold the bundle. I bet the new contract doesn't look different.

> > If Hyperion wanted to sell some kind of 68k AmigaOS4 they could have
> > started it right after the settlement, now they should be free of the
> > boundaries to PPC ... we will see what they do, maybe this is the MAP ...
> > Rogue wrote 'it will dissapoint some people'
>
>
> They can't do anything until a NatAmi _exists_.

They could sell it for the UAE market, if they want they can revive the Amithlon market, if they own the rights for AOS3.1 they have the right to do it ...

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Don Cox. jhkjkjkj.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, minator wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> > I had some discussion about the exact meaning of the sentence on the
> > Hyperion announcement:
> >
> > "Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an
> > exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use,
> > develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and
> > subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in
> > any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform
> > under the exclusive trademark "AmigaOS" (Amiga operating system) and using
> > other associated trademarks (such as the "BoingBall" logo)."
>
> > Is Hyperions right on AOS3.1 restricted to it's use as part of OAS4.1 ?
> > ( rights exclusively for AOS4. insted of exclusive rights ?)
>
> I think that is it.
> I think they're basically saying that Hyperion can use OS 3.1 for
> developing OS 4 and above but nobody else can. It means Amiga inc. cannot
> license OS 3.1 for use in any other OS. Of course, nobody else actually
> wants it, but that's beside the point.
>
That is how I read it too. They can use OS 3.1 for developing OS 4 or 5, not sell it as a separate product.

Possibly they might argue that including a copy of 3.1 in a bundle was necessary to "commercialise" 4.1, but that seems dubious to me.

Material here for another court case in a year or two?


> It's not explicitly clear but it looks to me like it does not impact
> Cloanto as they are not developing an OS. If it did impact Cloanto, Amiga
> inc. would have (yet again) shot themselves in the foot since that would
> almost certainly be a breach of contract.
>

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itix. sdfsd.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Don Cox wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, minator wrote:
> > On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> > > I had some discussion about the exact meaning of the sentence on the
> > > Hyperion announcement:
> > >
> > > "Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an
> > > exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use,
> > > develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and
> > > subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in
> > > any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform
> > > under the exclusive trademark "AmigaOS" (Amiga operating system) and using
> > > other associated trademarks (such as the "BoingBall" logo)."
> >
> > > Is Hyperions right on AOS3.1 restricted to it's use as part of OAS4.1 ?
> > > ( rights exclusively for AOS4. insted of exclusive rights ?)
> >
> > I think that is it.
> > I think they're basically saying that Hyperion can use OS 3.1 for
> > developing OS 4 and above but nobody else can. It means Amiga inc. cannot
> > license OS 3.1 for use in any other OS. Of course, nobody else actually
> > wants it, but that's beside the point.
> >
> That is how I read it too. They can use OS 3.1 for developing OS 4 or 5,
> not sell it as a separate product.

That is how I read it but...

"According to the terms of the license Hyperion Entertainment can market and distribute AmigaOS 3.1 in any form, through any medium etc."

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29777&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#514408

In my opinion this does not match with information on the Hyperion announcement.

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(193.200.150.125) [193.200.150.125]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, itix wrote:

> That is how I read it but...
>
> "According to the terms of the license Hyperion Entertainment can market
> and distribute AmigaOS 3.1 in any form, through any medium etc."
>
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29777&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#514408
>
> In my opinion this does not match with information on the Hyperion
> announcement.

Yes, but this is teh truth. The announcement was misworded because Hyperion was so excited about this that they shit in their pants.

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Christoph Gutjahr. .

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On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> I doesn't trust HyperionMP

It's safe to assume that whoever uses the "HyperionMP" account right now is also responsible for the press release you're trying to discuss. Thus, trying to interpret the press release but discarding anything "HyperionMP" says on the forums doesn't make much sense at all.

Unless you're only interested in reading what suits your predefined agenda ("Amiga can sell brusshed up 3.1 as 4.0") of course. And then 'discuss' that with erm... nevermind.

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GK. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Christoph Gutjahr wrote:

> It's safe to assume that whoever uses the "HyperionMP" account right now
> is also responsible for the press release you're trying to discuss.

There is still a difference between an 'official announcement' on a companies homepage and a forum message on a fan side.

Fans don't sue you ....

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XraalE. moo.

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On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Christoph Gutjahr wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> > I doesn't trust HyperionMP
>
> It's safe to assume that whoever uses the "HyperionMP" account right now is
> also responsible for the press release you're trying to discuss. Thus,
> trying to interpret the press release but discarding anything "HyperionMP"
> says on the forums doesn't make much sense at all.

Just believing anything a Hyperion spinmaster says certainly doesn't make much sense either. It makes it even more grim when you realise that anything put up onto their website better be upbeat, positive and correct, as it can be taken to legal account at some point; but anything HyperionMP says in the forums is subject to far less accountability.

By which I mean HyperionMP can bullshit all he wants on AWN. Wouldn't be the first time. Didn't he claim months ago that Hyperion would easily win the court case?

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XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, itix wrote:
>
> That is how I read it but...
>
> "According to the terms of the license Hyperion Entertainment can market
> and distribute AmigaOS 3.1 in any form, through any medium etc."
> In my opinion this does not match with information on the Hyperion
> announcement.

Hyperion don't have AmigaOS3.1, because Amiga Inc didn't give it to them. They'd have to get it from an old floppy or share sites just like anyone else. They've always been vague about AmigaOS3.1 simply because OS4 has nothing to do with it and was reverse-engineered from autodocs, but they don't want to sound like illegitimate successors by admitting it. You won't get a straight answer on the subject, just contradictory snippets of spin and deception.

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Re: Question to English native speakers

Christoph Gutjahr. .

(217.224.181.227) [217.224.181.227]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> Just believing anything a Hyperion spinmaster says

I didn't ask anybody to believe anything that comes from Hyperion. I just said that... erm, nevermind.

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nobody@home. lights.out.

(128.182.145.75) [128.182.145.75]
If this were contemporary english it would mean:

"Within the framework of the settlement agreement" means either Hyperion or Amiga can and will choose, at any time they want, to violate the framework and anything agreed upon therein as legally valid, perpetual, or exclusive, is voided.

"Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x"
means Amiga won't allow anyone else to use Amiga OS 3.1 to develop Hyperion's software but Hyperion. Isn't that special. If you use Amiga OS 3.1 to develop Hyperion's OS4, as a hobbyist, or as a third party developer, like patching it to run on some other PowerPC board, or backporting it to a 68k product, they have agreed that you can be sued by both Hyperion and Amiga.

Lastly they're stating Hyperion can release their own OS on any media or for any other hardware they want, and use Amiga OS 3.1 to do it, as long as its done "within the framework of the settlement agreement" whatever that means payment wise to Amiga.



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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Don Cox wrote:
> That is how I read it too. They can use OS 3.1 for developing OS 4 or 5,
> not sell it as a separate product.
>
> Possibly they might argue that including a copy of 3.1 in a bundle was
> necessary to "commercialise" 4.1, but that seems dubious to me.
>
> Material here for another court case in a year or two?



Who'll sue them, zombie Amiga Inc.?

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Re: Question to English native speakers

Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, itix wrote:
>
> That is how I read it but...
>
> "According to the terms of the license Hyperion Entertainment can market

Market = advertise

> and distribute AmigaOS 3.1 in any form, through any medium etc."

Distribute = sell

I don't see a problem, but it looks vague.

> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29777&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#514408
>
> In my opinion this does not match with information on the Hyperion
> announcement.


Well, they didn't write the terms of the settlement, word 4 word, on their website.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, . wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, itix wrote:
>
> > That is how I read it but...
> >
> > "According to the terms of the license Hyperion Entertainment can market
> > and distribute AmigaOS 3.1 in any form, through any medium etc."
> >
> >
> > http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29777&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#514408
> >
> > In my opinion this does not match with information on the Hyperion
> > announcement.
>
> Yes, but this is teh truth. The announcement was misworded because Hyperion
> was so excited about this that they shit in their pants.


Hope they were wearing Depends.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, GK wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Christoph Gutjahr wrote:
>
> > It's safe to assume that whoever uses the "HyperionMP" account right now
> > is also responsible for the press release you're trying to discuss.
>
> There is still a difference between an 'official announcement' on a
> companies homepage and a forum message on a fan side.
>
> Fans don't sue you ....



Don't believe anything..... "The Truth is Out There".... but NOT on the interwebs.... and, no one will tell GK, no matter where he looks.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Christoph Gutjahr wrote:
> > On Monday, Nov 2, 2009, GK wrote:
> > > I doesn't trust HyperionMP
> >
> > It's safe to assume that whoever uses the "HyperionMP" account right now is
> > also responsible for the press release you're trying to discuss. Thus,
> > trying to interpret the press release but discarding anything "HyperionMP"
> > says on the forums doesn't make much sense at all.
>
> Just believing anything a Hyperion spinmaster says certainly doesn't make
> much sense either. It makes it even more grim when you realise that
> anything put up onto their website better be upbeat, positive and correct,
> as it can be taken to legal account at some point; but anything HyperionMP
> says in the forums is subject to far less accountability.
>
> By which I mean HyperionMP can bullshit all he wants on AWN. Wouldn't be
> the first time. Didn't he claim months ago that Hyperion would easily win
> the court case?


And.... he did, _just as I stated as well_ from the outset.


So, that would make ALL OF YOUR POSTS,.... wait 4 it,....... wait _4_ it............. WORTHLESS!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! In yer face, oh and, SUCK IT UP!



(Throw into the kindling as well; kronos, Fab, Bill Evans (Tigger), umisef (Bernd Meyer), pixie, takemehomegrandma, Dammy, eXie, .polka, and the rest of the dark dark menagerie. Genius they weren't.)

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, itix wrote:
> >
> > That is how I read it but...
> >
> > "According to the terms of the license Hyperion Entertainment can market
> > and distribute AmigaOS 3.1 in any form, through any medium etc."
> > In my opinion this does not match with information on the Hyperion
> > announcement.
>
> Hyperion don't have AmigaOS3.1, because Amiga Inc didn't give it to them.
> They'd have to get it from an old floppy or share sites just like anyone
> else. They've always been vague about AmigaOS3.1 simply because OS4 has
> nothing to do with it and was reverse-engineered from autodocs, but they
> don't want to sound like illegitimate successors by admitting it. You won't
> get a straight answer on the subject, just contradictory snippets of spin
> and deception.


Well, from your keyboard, a straight, out-and-out 100%, _every word is_ a lie.


If that's your stance, you now have ZERO credibility on any subject. Sorry dude.

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@. malibannnospam@t-online.de.

(217.113.178.29) 217.113.178.29
On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > Didn't he claim months ago that Hyperion would easily win
> > the court case?
>
>
> And.... he did,

No they didn't win, they where forced into negotiations with AInc.

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Atheist2. nofudge@yahoo.com.

(64.180.70.121) [64.180.70.121]
On Wednesday, Nov 4, 2009, @ wrote:
> On Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009, Atheist2 wrote:
> > > Didn't he claim months ago that Hyperion would easily win
> > > the court case?
> >
> >
> > And.... he did,
>
> No they didn't win, they where forced into negotiations with AInc.


More like Hyperion accepted a quickie vs. maybe Amiga Inc. being able to tangle them up in YET MORE _frivolous_ court proceedings, possibly for 9 more months!

They thus avoid, possible bankruptcy proceedings' freezing of assets, until verifying Hyperion's claim on said assets, which COULD TAKE upto 2 YEARS!!!!!

PURE GENIUS on Hyperion's part. I LOVE them!


But, Amiga Inc. will _at any moment_ become TRUE vaporware, and at that point Hyperion won't need to send those $.05 royalties >nil: anymore.



So to all you haters, SUCK IT UP!!!!!!!!! YAH!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

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Re: Question to English native speakers

XraalE. moo.

(82.40.25.245) 82-40-25-245.cable.ubr04.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk
No update?

http://www.amiga.com/about/history/?t=os

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jorkany. jorkany.

(97.77.93.214) [97.77.93.214]
On Thursday, Nov 5, 2009, XraalE wrote:
> No update?
>
> http://www.amiga.com/about/history/?t=os

So far the only statement that there's even a settlement has come from Hyperion.

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