Thread "Sinners or Saints?"

Sinners or Saints?
Direct link to this message	Sinners or Saints? Atheist2. @shaw.ca.
	If a sperm and egg are combined in a petri dish into an embryo, they are a "person" to a huge amount of religious people. Fine. Now, I take 3 millilitres of sulphuric acid, pour it in there, and the cell dies. So, which one of the 10 commandments did that "person" violate, to be a sinner? Jesus was NOT the only non-sinner that ever existed. It's a bible lie. Millions and millions of "people" are JUST AS SINLESS as Jesus himself was. That violates page 2 or 3 of the bible that says god says ALL humans are sinners!!!!! What god said is false.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Sinners or Saints? xx. xx.
	Why try to figure out the illogic of religion? Life is not "created" - it simply continues in a different form down through the ages. Cells in a dish are not a person. Just live your life and ignore the religious wackos.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Sinners or Saints? Neko. neko@.
	On Wednesday, Jun 1, 2005, Atheist2 wrote: > Jesus was NOT the only non-sinner that ever existed. It's a bible lie. The bible doesn't say that Jesus never sinned. He is certainly not sinless if you read it through. He does lots of really stupid sinful stuff. > Millions and millions of "people" are JUST AS SINLESS as Jesus himself > was. > > That violates page 2 or 3 of the bible that says god says ALL humans are > sinners!!!!! What god said is false. I really wish if people were going to criticise religion that they would actually read the damn books first. All humans ARE sinners according to the bible. The whole point of Jesus is that he died on the cross to make what god said not false, but irrelevant; if you believe in Jesus, your sins are forgiven. It's basically a rewrite/scapegoat to make the religion more palettable - if you had to chose a religion, would it be the one were you just have to say you believe and you go to heaven, or the one where no matter how hard you try you are destined for an eternity having pitchforks jammed in your ass by perky little goblins? Christianity at it's core is basically belief in That Particular God, oddly enough the same one that Jews and Muslims believe in. How you worship him is part of the religion - Christianity worships God but thanks Jesus for his help in not having them be resigned to being a goblin's favourite recepticle. Neko
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Direct link to this message	Re: Sinners or Saints? T_Bone. ....
	You're stoned arn't you! :) You forgot about the concept of "original sin."
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Direct link to this message	Re: Sinners or Saints? Billsey. billsey@earthlink.net.
	On Thursday, Jun 2, 2005, T_Bone wrote: > You're stoned arn't you! :) > > You forgot about the concept of "original sin." When stepping into a useless argument with the unenlightened, always remember to meditate upon 1 Corinthians 2:14 FIRST. Doing so will most likely wind up saving you an awful lot of wasted keystrokes.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Sinners or Saints? PaganSong. bob@scratchit.org.
	On Thursday, Jun 2, 2005, Billsey wrote: > When stepping into a useless argument with the unenlightened, always > remember to meditate upon 1 Corinthians 2:14 FIRST. Give me a lie for a lie Give me a truth for a truth Nothing is hard to believe No one is hard to deceive Leave me a light in the dark I have a torch that shines through all the lies of the Bible.
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Direct link to this message	Re: Sinners or Saints? T_Bone. ....
	On Thursday, Jun 2, 2005, PaganSong wrote: > On Thursday, Jun 2, 2005, Billsey wrote: > > > When stepping into a useless argument with the unenlightened, always > > remember to meditate upon 1 Corinthians 2:14 FIRST. > > > Give me a lie for a lie > Give me a truth for a truth > Nothing is hard to believe > No one is hard to deceive > Leave me a light in the dark > > > I have a torch that shines through all the lies of the Bible. > Call out Gouranga be happy!!! Gouranga Gouranga Gouranga .... That which brings the highest happiness!! (Don't ask, some wierd spam I keep getting :/)
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Direct link to this message	Re: Sinners or Saints? Hawk. bstanard@cox.net.
	On Thursday, Jun 2, 2005, Neko wrote: > On Wednesday, Jun 1, 2005, Atheist2 wrote: > > Jesus was NOT the only non-sinner that ever existed. It's a bible lie. > > The bible doesn't say that Jesus never sinned. Well, these references are pretty clear: John 14:30 " ... the prince of this world [Satan] cometh, and hath nothing in me ... " 2 Cor 5:21 "Who knew no sin ... " Heb 4:15 " ... was tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin." 1 Pet 2:22 "Who did no sin, neither was there guile found in His mouth." 1 John 3:5 " ... and in Him was no sin." > He is certainly not sinless. if you read it through. He does lots of really stupid sinful stuff. Wha' ? > > > Millions and millions of "people" are JUST AS SINLESS as Jesus himself > > was. > > > > That violates page 2 or 3 of the bible that says god says ALL humans are > > sinners!!!!! What god said is false. > > I really wish if people were going to criticise religion that they would > actually read the damn books first. > > All humans ARE sinners according to the bible. The whole point of Jesus is > that he died on the cross to make what god said not false, but irrelevant; if > you believe in Jesus, your sins are forgiven. Then there's James 2:19. > > It's basically a rewrite/scapegoat to make the religion more palettable - > if you had to chose a religion, would it be the one were you just have to say > you believe and you go to heaven, or the one where no matter how hard you > try you are destined for an eternity having pitchforks jammed in your ass > by perky little goblins? That might be closer to a type of Hallmark moment where Halloween is confused with St. Valentine's Day. > > Christianity at it's core is basically belief in That Particular God, > oddly enough the same one that Jews and Muslims believe in. You might have gotten a little too happy with the inclusiveness. > How you worship him is part of the religion - Christianity worships God but thanks > Jesus for his help in not having them be resigned to being a goblin's favourite > recepticle. > > Neko > Kwah
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